Onside kick?

[deanpet21]

A very small part if at all. Cmon - be honest about this team. You are just torturing yourself if you believe that their injuries & shortcomings in some areas (WR, RB) are not their main problem at the current time.

Sure injuries are a problem and we are still competitive. last night was just bad.

 

[deanpet21]

Let's say Philly goes three and out and punts if we kick it deep and we use all three of our timeouts. Let's even say we score a TD on the ensuing possession leaving us with 1:30, down three, and no timeouts. We are now kicking off, what kind of kick do you make? Do you kick it deep or do you do an insides kick?

Of course onsides kick down 3 with no timeouts and 1:30 left in the game. That scinero you just gave was more likelier to happen then what we did

 

[gkekoa]

Of course onsides kick down 3 with no timeouts and 1:30 left in the game. That scinero you just gave was more likelier to happen then what we did

No it isn't. No matter what you need to recover an onsides kick. It is better to be in control of the clock than the other team be in control.

 

[deanpet21]

No it isn't. No matter what you need to recover an onsides kick. It is better to be in control of the clock than the other team be in control.

yes it is. You play the clock and timeout situation plus the two minute warning. that is why you kick it deep down 10 with almost 4 minutes left.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sure injuries are a problem and we are still competitive. last night was just bad.

That is just the simplistic, emotional response. You have to look at the root causes & in this cause injuries are the overwhelming reason. You can't just lose almost all of your O line at various parts of the game & not miss a beat. Remember a line is not just a collection of talent - it is a cohesive unit. Take away 1 player & the impact will be significant. Take away 2-3 players (or have them at way less than 100%) & the results can be devastating. You act as if this is only a minor concern.

Add key injuries to the secondary & losing your best D lineman & it is huge. Throw in replacing your kicker & it would have taken a major upset for the Skins to win. You can just badmouth these guys for lack of effort (or whatever) - they were at a big disadvantage talent wise & injuries were a huge factor.

 

[deanpet21]

That is just the simplistic, emotional response. You have to look at the root causes & in this cause injuries are the overwhelming reason. You can't just lose almost all of your O line at various parts of the game & not miss a beat. Remember a line is not just a collection of talent - it is a cohesive unit. Take away 1 player & the impact will be significant. Take away 2-3 players (or have them at way less than 100%) & the results can be devastating. You act as if this is only a minor concern.

Add key injuries to the secondary & losing your best D lineman & it is huge. Throw in replacing your kicker & it would have taken a major upset for the Skins to win. You can just badmouth these guys for lack of effort (or whatever) - they were at a big disadvantage talent wise & injuries were a huge factor.

I know. even with all that stuff we were very competitive. Eagles lost Hicks and Peters. They didn't miss a beat. The defense didn't make any plays. You blaming that on injury?

 

[skinsdad62]

Dean pick your poison onside kick early or later either way you need one

 

[deanpet21]

Dean pick your poison onside kick early or later either way you need one

right. gk's way we need to convert two onside kicks. my way you only need one conversion to set up a game tying FG.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I know. even with all that stuff we were very competitive. Eagles lost Hicks and Peters. They didn't miss a beat. The defense didn't make any plays. You blaming that on injury?

Blaming all of the D's issues on injuries? No - but it was partially to blame. The loss of Norman is huge since they have to shift others around to make up for the loss. It also allows people to get open earlier & thus reduces the impact of the pass rush. Non-injury related would be the subpar play of Swearinger last nt - first time that I can recall that occurring this season - hopefully doesn't continue.

Non injury wise WR has to be a real concern - especially the awful play from Pryor & Crowder. Those guys need to step up & I refuse to put most of that blame on Cousins or Gruden. Players need to be accountable for themselves.

BTW - in terms of the defense - you have to attribute a lot of that to Wentz - he did very well & he made some plays that would have most likely worked against most defenses in the NFL.

 

[gkekoa]

yes it is. You play the clock and timeout situation plus the two minute warning. that is why you kick it deep down 10 with almost 4 minutes left.

No matter what we have to recover an onsides kick. You admit that.

right. gk's way we need to convert two onside kicks. my way you only need one conversion to set up a game tying FG.

Did I say we have to convert two onside kicks? My way gives us the option of doing two onside kicks. My way we may score in one minute and that leaves us three minutes. Maybe we kick deep then. Your way, we are at the complete mercy of the other team and no control over our own destiny.

 

[deanpet21]

No matter what we have to recover an onsides kick. You admit that.




Did I say we have to convert two onside kicks? My way gives us the option of doing two onside kicks. My way we may score in one minute and that leaves us three minutes. Maybe we kick deep then. Your way, we are at the complete mercy of the other team and no control over our own destiny.

yes. one onside kick to setup a fg

 

[gkekoa]

yes. one onside kick to setup a fg

My way we can kick one onside kick and if need be because it took longer to score than anticipated, we can take a second.

 

[skinsdad62]

right. gk's way we need to convert two onside kicks. my way you only need one conversion to set up a game tying FG.

No you dont you just use you time outs later

 

[skinz2winz]

Please don't put this loss on coaching. They were injured and outplayed by a better team last nt - end of story.

Your right, injured and outplayed by a better team and better coaching staff as well. That was ALL clearly evident!

 

[Stymietee]

Down by 10 with over 3 minutes to play plus 3 time outs. Gruden decided to go for the onside kick. Why? Odds are you don't get it. If you kick it deep you try to force a 3 and out on a SHORT field. Then try to get a quick score no matter a FG or TD to cut it to one possession. We are down by two scores. That call just put a cherry on a bad night from everyone. Please tell me you guys see how bad of a call that was.

Defense could not stop Wentz and the offense could not sustain drives. Absolutely no running game to speak of. Cant win games with that formula. The Wentz scramble was bad but I thought the run call from the Eagles on 3rd and 6 when we were down by 7 points on that same drive was worst. That is basically a give up play and we couldn't stop it. Awful!! Kc still cant read a blitz. Our injures played a toll in this game. DJ was down right awful. Bad games from all three phases plus coaching. This was a big game and team just flopped.

Not happy at all today.

I'm not going to argue against any of this but let me add this, Something left this team after those two bombs at the end of the first half with respects to energy or lack therein. Both @Reed and I mentioned it at the time and it never came back. Maybe this has something to do with the things that you've mentioned affecting Gruden as well.

 

[Beaker]

You are going to need to recover an onside kick regardless of what happens. It is better to know early if you will or not.

It is like when a team is down by 15 late and score a TD, then kick an extra point. You should go for two immediately so you know whether you need one more score or two. If you miss the two point conversion after the first TD, you are pretty screwed, but if you miss the two point conversion after you use up all the clock for your second TD, you are definitely screwed.

It is always better to know what you need early, even if it risks killing hope sooner.

 

[Stymietee]

I know. even with all that stuff we were very competitive. Eagles lost Hicks and Peters. They didn't miss a beat. The defense didn't make any plays. You blaming that on injury?

There are 53 guys on that sideline and they all get paid to do the job when called upon, If they can't give comparable performances then questions must be answered and changes made. That is all.....Sty out!!

 

[Manster7588]

On sides kick was the right call. Odds are the Skins needed two on sides kick forva chance at a win.
Now, that was one of the worse executed on sides kick I've seen.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

On sides kick was the right call. Odds are the Skins needed two on sides kick forva chance at a win.
Now, that was one of the worse executed on sides kick I've seen.

Almost expected. Rookie kicker brought in at the last minute. If he pulled it off I would have been shocked (& I said as much to some people at the bar where I watched the game). Heck - I was even worried about this guy making XPs. Hopefully with another week under his belt he is relatively solid. Battle of replacement kickers this week.