OG Sheriff

[Stymietee]

Yeah who needs a HOF trending OG when you can trot out Kieth Ismael , 0 snaps , Charles 2 snaps , or the legendary Wes Martin ? Because with 140 mil in cap space next year we will have to sell off half the team

"Please do not mention selling off half of the team!"___ Dan Snyder

"Why not?" ___ Jeff Bezos

 

[Skin'EmAll]

So many more team cuts to make....I think we'll land some guys.
Looking forward to FA

 

[Stymietee]

The NFL is still evolving into something that's almost unrecognizable in relation to the traditional game.
That said, Brandon Schreff is the first (somebody had to be) of an ever-changing pay scale because of these institutional changes.
I predict that in a year or two, offensive guards will be the premier offensive line position and in that respect, Schreff is being underpaid. (yeah I said it!)

The NFL has all but eliminated the running back position. These players are now required to be more integrated into the passing game than ever before because of rule changes and less dependency upon moving the ball using a consistent ground attack. (Tennessee Titans excepted) Take a look at what's actually happening to this game, running backs are now a dime a dozen, QB's are getting hit less and with a lot less furiosity than in previous generations. Pass catchers are also protected prior to and just after making catches and thus there's less fear of using the entire field, opening the passing game to more creative uses of growing route trees. Defenses can't play the game as once played either because almost everything that was once was allowed is now a penalty. The trend in QB'ing is focused on releasing the ball in less time than it's humanly possible for edge rushers to get to them.

So, what does all of this have to do with Brandon Schreff and offensive guards?

Well, all of the above taken into account, QB pressures, more specifically, getting them to move out of their comfort zones will primarily have to come up the middle. Corner blitzes are nice but in very recent history, safety's or a linebacker shooting those gaps between guard and center or guard and the defensive end appears to be the quickest and most effective way to get to the passer and disrupting plays. As defensive tackles become stronger and capable of lining up at 3T or 1T nose and playing well against the run and pass, they are also often becoming too much for slower guards or centers to handle. This evolution because of their proximity to the QB and pocket that he works in is now becoming the position receiving the bulk of the attention from the offensive line. In order to counter that change, equal or superior guard play has become The priority. Just as running backs have become devalued, the opposite and equal reaction to that change means a greater need for protection of QB's in the now mostly passing league. Brandon Schreff is the first, but make no mistake he isn't and won't be the last to command more than previously paid to the position that he plays.

 

[skinz2winz]

Welp since the CBA doesn’t differentiate between OG and OT then that’s the market. And wage scales will change next season . So maybe ,just maybe ,they want security for another season and see if they have a replacement ready to take over

You make a good point dad...He is the top guard, so pay him top money, this year. That's a full year to groom next man up. For some reason that makes 18m this year more palatable.

 

[skinz2winz]

how does Scherff get 18m per season on the open market this year? He doesnt. That's why it was bad to tag him. How did this move make sense? we could of gotten him for less in FA on a long term deal.

He wasn't signing any deal. Take the highest pay you can for 1 season rather than negotiate a deal that on the avg pays you less, no thanks. He and his agent watched Kirk handle his business, easy money. BS is an all pro guard, he doesn't even have to gamble (bet on himself) as he is already a winner, winner chicken dinner. Now, if he negotiates a LTD before July whatever, for an avg less than 18m per year (bonus money would cover the nut if not) than I will eat crow. Just don't see why he would do it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Cant depend on rookies for our #2 WR. Plus Harmon and AGG are wildcards. You add a FA WR and a draft pick plus harmon and Agg now that is a good core of 5Wr's.

why ? we have a roster full of vet wrs , why not simply draft 2 ? hell tmac came in as a 3rd round pick and became a number one year one

lol. who are the vet Wr's?

mac both sims harmon AGG , all
Are heading into yr 2 to yr 3

 

[skinsdad62]

how does Scherff get 18m per season on the open market this year? He doesnt. That's why it was bad to tag him. How did this move make sense? we could of gotten him for less in FA on a long term deal.

You actually have to have both sides agree to a deal

 

[skinsdad62]

The NFL is still evolving into something that's almost unrecognizable in relation to the traditional game.
That said, Brandon Schreff is the first (somebody had to be) of an ever-changing pay scale because of these institutional changes.
I predict that in a year or two, offensive guards will be the premier offensive line position and in that respect, Schreff is being underpaid. (yeah I said it!)

The NFL has all but eliminated the running back position. These players are now required to be more integrated into the passing game than ever before because of rule changes and less dependency upon moving the ball using a consistent ground attack. (Tennessee Titans excepted) Take a look at what's actually happening to this game, running backs are now a dime a dozen, QB's are getting hit less and with a lot less furiosity than in previous generations. Pass catchers are also protected prior to and just after making catches and thus there's less fear of using the entire field, opening the passing game to more creative uses of growing route trees. Defenses can't play the game as once played either because almost everything that was once was allowed is now a penalty. The trend in QB'ing is focused on releasing the ball in less time than it's humanly possible for edge rushers to get to them.

So, what does all of this have to do with Brandon Schreff and offensive guards?

Well, all of the above taken into account, QB pressures, more specifically, getting them to move out of their comfort zones will primarily have to come up the middle. Corner blitzes are nice but in very recent history, safety's or a linebacker shooting those gaps between guard and center or guard and the defensive end appears to be the quickest and most effective way to get to the passer and disrupting plays. As defensive tackles become stronger and capable of lining up at 3T or 1T nose and playing well against the run and pass, they are also often becoming too much for slower guards or centers to handle. This evolution because of their proximity to the QB and pocket that he works in is now becoming the position receiving the bulk of the attention from the offensive line. In order to counter that change, equal or superior guard play has become The priority. Just as running backs have become devalued, the opposite and equal reaction to that change means a greater need for protection of QB's in the now mostly passing league. Brandon Schreff is the first, but make no mistake he isn't and won't be the last to command more than previously paid to the position that he plays.

They are stuck in the past

 

[skinsdad62]

This is the number being talked about . Bonus money and structure are the hold up that net him the same as 18 mil a year for the starting point

 

[deanpet21]

why ? we have a roster full of vet wrs , why not simply draft 2 ? hell tmac came in as a 3rd round pick and became a number one year one

mac both sims harmon AGG , all
Are heading into yr 2 to yr 3

year 2 and 3 are not vets. lol.

 

[deanpet21]

You actually have to have both sides agree to a deal

We should have never tagged him

 

[kbso83432]

Bruce lowballed him.

 

[skinz2winz]

This is the number being talked about . Bonus money and structure are the hold up that net him the same as 18 mil a year for the starting point

Same number I talked about last week. Pay the man 16.5 x 5 years guarantee the first 3 years. Very similar. He gets paid and it helps with the cap. It's really not a difficult decision to make and a straight forward contract. Seems everyone would win. Anything more, now that he is tagged, explore a trade in this market. Teams are starving for help up front and several teams will certainly look into a possible trade should the WFT put it out there.

 

[skinsdad62]

year 2 and 3 are not vets. lol.

So you are telling me that tmac Harmon or either sims can’t mentor a rookie . So what magic number makes you a vet ? I am pretty sure yr 2 You are. A vet

 

[gkekoa]

Same number I talked about last week. Pay the man 16.5 x 5 years guarantee the first 3 years. Very similar. He gets paid and it helps with the cap. It's really not a difficult decision to make and a straight forward contract. Seems everyone would win. Anything more, now that he is tagged, explore a trade in this market. Teams are starving for help up front and several teams will certainly look into a possible trade should the WFT put it out there.

Teams that are hurting up front can simply sign Joe Thuney or Gabe Jackson. They don’t need to trade.

 

[deanpet21]

So you are telling me that tmac Harmon or either sims can’t mentor a rookie . So what magic number makes you a vet ? I am pretty sure yr 2 You are. A vet

to be a vet Wr you have to have at least 3 to 4 years in the league.

 

[skinz2winz]

Teams that are hurting up front can simply sign Joe Thuney or Gabe Jackson. They don’t need to trade.

There are not enough Brandon Sherff's to go around. A needy OL team like Seattle will find a way. Trade him.

 

[skinz2winz]

We have 140 mil next yr in cap space . I wouldn’t worry too much

Ok, so if BS makes $18m per year, what will the other 4 make when there time is up? Doesn't matter how you spin it, $18m for a guard is absurd!

 

[skinz2winz]

to be a vet Wr you have to have at least 3 to 4 years in the league.

Not really, to be a qualified vet, you need to actually play like one. We have exactly 1 of those WR's. (Tmac)

 

[skinz2winz]

The NFL is still evolving into something that's almost unrecognizable in relation to the traditional game.
That said, Brandon Schreff is the first (somebody had to be) of an ever-changing pay scale because of these institutional changes.
I predict that in a year or two, offensive guards will be the premier offensive line position and in that respect, Schreff is being underpaid. (yeah I said it!)

The NFL has all but eliminated the running back position. These players are now required to be more integrated into the passing game than ever before because of rule changes and less dependency upon moving the ball using a consistent ground attack. (Tennessee Titans excepted) Take a look at what's actually happening to this game, running backs are now a dime a dozen, QB's are getting hit less and with a lot less furiosity than in previous generations. Pass catchers are also protected prior to and just after making catches and thus there's less fear of using the entire field, opening the passing game to more creative uses of growing route trees. Defenses can't play the game as once played either because almost everything that was once was allowed is now a penalty. The trend in QB'ing is focused on releasing the ball in less time than it's humanly possible for edge rushers to get to them.

So, what does all of this have to do with Brandon Schreff and offensive guards?

Well, all of the above taken into account, QB pressures, more specifically, getting them to move out of their comfort zones will primarily have to come up the middle. Corner blitzes are nice but in very recent history, safety's or a linebacker shooting those gaps between guard and center or guard and the defensive end appears to be the quickest and most effective way to get to the passer and disrupting plays. As defensive tackles become stronger and capable of lining up at 3T or 1T nose and playing well against the run and pass, they are also often becoming too much for slower guards or centers to handle. This evolution because of their proximity to the QB and pocket that he works in is now becoming the position receiving the bulk of the attention from the offensive line. In order to counter that change, equal or superior guard play has become The priority. Just as running backs have become devalued, the opposite and equal reaction to that change means a greater need for protection of QB's in the now mostly passing league. Brandon Schreff is the first, but make no mistake he isn't and won't be the last to command more than previously paid to the position that he plays.

Interesting concept Sty. And yes, the quickest way for a defender to the QB is up the middle or, a straight line. As fans we would like to think BS would do what's best for his team however, I understand this is a business and "getting" all you can in no way reflects as selfishly by BS or any other player who believes he deserves his next big contract however, my hang up is this... Squabbling over $16m per year vs $18m per year on a LTD? Do you really want to be with this team or not? Unfathomable amount of money yet, bottom line is more is better i suppose as you never know when the league could come to an end. Keep handing out $18m contracts per year to guards and it will come to an end some day sooner than later.