Norman signs with Redskins

[j_y19]

I'll wait for the real numbers to come out before I get to bothered about the cap implications. Thus far Scot has not allowed us to over extend even one iota. Hell we just signed Culliver last year to a 4 year $32 million dollar and we could cut him now and save as much as $8 million.

So lets talk about how badly we over paid him in two or three days when the REAL numbers come out.

What about taking care of your own? We pay a guy that has had one good year the most money for anyone at his position. But we can't come to a long term deal with Cousins who also has had one good year. I am OK with the signing and if he proves out that he is the player he was last year for the next few years, then this is a good signing. But there has to be questions about if he is that guy and was last year a fluke? There are in my mind. Sportster raises some valid points. This does have danny's standard operating procedures all over it. One has to also wonder why Carolina was willing to cut a guy that is a pro bowl caliber CB. Yes, Ive read all the crap about not valuing CBs as much. That is crap and just a massive justification. CB is one of the most important positions to fill and if you truly have a shut down corner, you don't cut him unless there are other issues.

 

[Muto_has_a_posse]

What about taking care of your own? We pay a guy that has had one good year the most money for anyone at his position. But we can't come to a long term deal with Cousins who also has had one good year. I am OK with the signing and if he proves out that he is the player he was last year for the next few years, then this is a good signing. But there has to be questions about if he is that guy and was last year a fluke? There are in my mind. Sportster raises some valid points. This does have danny's standard operating procedures all over it. One has to also wonder why Carolina was willing to cut a guy that is a pro bowl caliber CB. Yes, Ive read all the crap about not valuing CBs as much. That is crap and just a massive justification. CB is one of the most important positions to fill and if you truly have a shut down corner, you don't cut him unless there are other issues.

For us this would make sense because we are never in their position. How many top ten at their position players do we have on our team? Right now, one, Trent. How many top 20 players do we have on our team? Debatable but if someone said one, Trent they'd be able to back it up.

How many different positions do the Panthers have top ten/20 guys that they need to make sure get paid properly? LB's (plural), D-Line) plural, QB, etc. When you are a team like us that rarely has an abundance of talent it is easy to see why you let players walk.

On the other hand, I do completely see and believe the flip side. Norman benefited from everyone else around him. This does smell like the same old Skins; however, I do believe in Scot. If he sees the talent then I trust in that.

In regards to age, I'm wondering since he hasn't been a starter his entire career that maybe he doesn't have as much wear and tear on the tires.

 

[kbso83432]

I must admit, I was and still am for this signing. We had a huge hole at CB, but where and the hell is Scot. Do we even have a quote on record from him? I heard the Barry was on the plane to go get Norman. I didn't hear that Scot was. When have we used Redskins 1 since Scot has been here? Why wasn't Scot in any of the pictures with Norman that were posted online. Just Danny and Joe.

I was for this signing because I thought Scot was. I still like it, but I am curious to see if and when we will hear from Scot. Worst case scenario Scot was not behind this and we end up losing him all together. Best case scenario is Scot was behind this and he's just playing the background.

 

[j_y19]

I must admit, I was and still am for this signing. We had a huge hole at CB, but where and the hell is Scot. Do we even have a quote on record from him? I heard the Barry was on the plane to go get Norman. I didn't hear that Scot was. When have we used Redskins 1 since Scot has been here? Why wasn't Scot in any of the pictures with Norman that were posted online. Just Danny and Joe.

I was for this signing because I thought Scot was. I still like it, but I am curious to see if and when we will hear from Scot. Worst case scenario Scot was not behind this and we end up losing him all together. Best case scenario is Scot was behind this and he's just playing the background.

I don't believe that this was forced on Scot. But this move goes against many of the tenets that Scot said he believed in. I suspect that he got caught up in the euphoria of Snyder. Sometimes when your boss gives you the green light to do whatever it takes, you could easily throw caution to the wind.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

A lot of money guaranteed but its a position that sorely needed filling. We just got better.

That's the bottom line. It is. After Bashaud Breeland, we pretty much have backup or slot CBs, like Blackmon, Dunbar, and Toler. I didn't count Chris Culliver because I didn't see enough of him to judge because of his injury. Not to mention, he didn't play a lot of games for us, prior to that injury.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

i womder what kirk thinks of this

From Kirk's tweet, I thinks he appreciates the fact that he'll go against a CB that should make him a better passer.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

how can people say josh is a one year wonder? his first 3 years he was improveing his game he was growing last year he broke out so kirk cousins is a one year wonder also?

 

[j_y19]

how can people say josh is a one year wonder? his first 3 years he was improveing his game he was growing last year he broke out so kirk cousins is a one year wonder also?

Clearly the FO thinks KC might be a one year wonder. If they were convinced he was a franchise QB, they would have done whatever necessary to lock him into a long term deal. If he has another good year, he only gets more expensive.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

I don't believe that this was forced on Scot. But this move goes against many of the tenets that Scot said he believed in. I suspect that he got caught up in the euphoria of Snyder. Sometimes when your boss gives you the green light to do whatever it takes, you could easily throw caution to the wind.

I totally agree with this. I was very surprised, when they said we were interested, once Norman's franchise tag was rescinded. I did not totally think much of it because, since Scot's been the GM, his M.O. was always building through the draft and not signing high-priced FAs. Last year, we signed Stephen Paea, Ricky Jean-Francois, Chris Culliver, Jerron Johnson, Terrance Knighton. This year, we've signed Vernon Davis, David Bruton, Ziggy Hood, and Kendall Reyes. None of these guys were high-priced signings. In fact, most have been signed to one-year deals. It took him the longest to even sign anyone, once FA started. I might also include that Scot has made it his business of re-signing most of our FAs. Then, of course, he wanted to have 10 draft picks, got them, and turned five of them into impact players.

With all being said, I believe he had a chance to get a marquee player for a position that we desperately need. This is the same secondary that gave up 500+ passing yards to Kellen Moore and totally got exposed to Aaron Rodgers and a Jordy Nelson-less Packer offense. Some may say, "we can draft a CB." Well, that's all good and fine, but chances are, he's not gonna immediately remind anyone an elite CB that's playing, right now, including Josh Norman.

 

[reptec101]

That's the bottom line. It is. After Bashaud Breeland, we pretty much have backup or slot CBs, like Blackmon, Dunbar, and Toler. I didn't count Chris Culliver because I didn't see enough of him to judge because of his injury. Not to mention, he didn't play a lot of games for us, prior to that injury.

Yea, we pretty much have had a piece work hold your breath defensive backfield for quite awhile now. This signing certainly helps. Regarding money it's just the cost of doing business if you want a top player at their position. Dez was gonna walk until they cut Demarco Murray to help with the funding. Romo certainly was giving a huge pile of money. Beckham, Sherman, Wilson, Revis and countless other top players have all gotten paid. The price of doing business.

Another thing... those that think Snyder is behind this...I don't believe Synder had anything to do with this signing. He sat there and watched RG3 get humiliated and benched,, and then cut. Nah, he's letting the people he's paying finally run the team. He obviously agreed with the payout but that's it... I believe so anyway.

 

[Muto_has_a_posse]

Yes, this does go against what we perceived as Scot's philosophy aside from what part. He believes in getting players with talent. He believes that should be primarily from the draft but we do have a lot of glaring needs and there is talent in this draft. What better year to not have to worry about one need in the draft and take advantage of the studs in this draft.

Prior to this signing CB was a potential need. So is DT, DE, ILB, C, S. Instead of going with a CB in round 1-4. We can no solidify some other positions. Grab two studs for the d-line and create what Carolina did that helped Norman become the player he is.

I think we also may be neglecting Scot's greatest strength, finding talent and knowing when to pull the trigger in the draft. Scot knows what is coming in this draft and who will likely be entering the draft next year as well. We're clearly out of the Ramsey sweepstakes and other guys like Hargreaves would likely be gone. Perhaps he thinks Apple, Mackensie, Fuller are being overvalued for where they may go.

CB is covered for us now. Next step on Thursday trade down a bit get ready to snag as many picks as you can.

 

[reptec101]

Clearly the FO thinks KC might be a one year wonder. If they were convinced he was a franchise QB, they would have done whatever necessary to lock him into a long term deal. If he has another good year, he only gets more expensive.

I don't think they think he's a one year wonder by not giving him Norman money... think they just wanna see a little more, is all. A roll of the dice really. If he shines and looks like a real deal they pay him and they have a solid QB... everyone wins. He sucks (which I don't see happening) they give him backup money.

Excited for the upcoming year. Seems we have everything lining up for a great year.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Bringing up Daniel Snyder is nonsense. Everyone is still so gun shy from years past that they are assuming Snyder had something to do with this and that any big signing is a mistake. Did Snyder sign off on the idea? Of course he did like every other owner in the NFL would. But to think he had anything to do with this decision is off base.

This is not the old Redskins, SM is being selective. Denver showed a few big signings can pay big dividends. Considering the Giants just gave a lesser player, Jenkins, $62 million for 5 this is a good move by the team. The Panthers did us a huge favor by releasing him weeks into FA when the money has started to dry up. Is there any doubt we would have had much more competition, and the contract would have been much bigger, had he been released in March?

 

[j_y19]

I totally agree with this. I was very surprised, when they said we were interested, once Norman's franchise tag was rescinded. I did not totally think much of it because, since Scot's been the GM, his M.O. was always building through the draft and not signing high-priced FAs. Last year, we signed Stephen Paea, Ricky Jean-Francois, Chris Culliver, Jerron Johnson, Terrance Knighton. This year, we've signed Vernon Davis, David Bruton, Ziggy Hood, and Kendall Reyes. None of these guys were high-priced signings. In fact, most have been signed to one-year deals. It took him the longest to even sign anyone, once FA started. I might also include that Scot has made it his business of re-signing most of our FAs. Then, of course, he wanted to have 10 draft picks, got them, and turned five of them into impact players.

With all being said, I believe he had a chance to get a marquee player for a position that we desperately need. This is the same secondary that gave up 500+ passing yards to Kellen Moore and totally got exposed to Aaron Rodgers and a Jordy Nelson-less Packer offense. Some may say, "we can draft a CB." Well, that's all good and fine, but chances are, he's not gonna immediately remind anyone an elite CB that's playing, right now, including Josh Norman.

If, in fact, Norman proves to be a perennial marque player, then you are right. But don't you have some concerns that, after just on good season, there might be legit concerns that last year was an anomaly?

I have no issues giving Scot the benefit of the doubt, but this definitely goes against his stated philosophies.

 

[j_y19]

Bringing up Daniel Snyder is nonsense. Everyone is still so gun shy from years past that they are assuming Snyder had something to do with this and that any big signing is a mistake. Did Snyder sign off on the idea? Of course he did like every other owner in the NFL would. But to think he had anything to do with this decision is off base.

This is not the old Redskins, SM is being selective. Denver showed a few big signings can pay big dividends. Considering the Giants just gave a lesser player, Jenkins, $62 million for 5 this is a good move by the team. The Panthers did us a huge favor by releasing him weeks into FA when the money has started to dry up. Is there any doubt we would have had much more competition, and the contract would have been much bigger, had he been released in March?

I'm not implying that this was all a concocted scheme by dan. I just think dan makes it easy to do these deals, most of which have turned out poorly for us.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

All Dan has been doing for years now is agreeing to sign the big checks when necessary. Of course he signed off on the trade up for Griffin, this deal etc. Again every owner would be that involved when major moves are discussed. Hell the greatest owner ever, Jack Kent Cooke, blocked a trade of Jim Lachey for John Fucking Elway in 1991. And he was supposed to be the poster child for hands off ownership.

Just because Dan has show the willingness to sign the checks does not mean SM will change his approach. It only means once he sets his sights on a player the owner will not hold up the deal by refusing to make the investment. After almost 2 offseasons that should be obvious by now, Dan's presence does not effect Scott's plan one bit IMO.

 

[Breed]

how can people say josh is a one year wonder? his first 3 years he was improveing his game he was growing last year he broke out so kirk cousins is a one year wonder also?

Cuz is certainly no one year wonder. That's just crazy talk. He's much closer to a half-season wonder.

 

[j_y19]

All Dan has been doing for years now is agreeing to sign the big checks when necessary. Of course he signed off on the trade up for Griffin, this deal etc. Again every owner would be that involved when major moves are discussed. Hell the greatest owner ever, Jack Kent Cooke, blocked a trade of Jim Lachey for John Fucking Elway in 1991. And he was supposed to be the poster child for hands off ownership.

Just because Dan has show the willingness to sign the checks does not mean SM will change his approach. It only means once he sets his sights on a player the owner will not hold up the deal by refusing to make the investment. After almost 2 offseasons that should be obvious by now, Dan's presence does not effect Scott's plan one bit IMO.

That's all he has been doing for years now? Hmmm. Let's just leave it that we disagree significantly on this statement.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

That's all he has been doing for years now? Hmmm. Let's just leave it that we disagree significantly on this statement.

What evidence do you have that he was involved in personnel when Shanny was here? He got too close to Griffin but he wasn't in the war room on draft day or recruiting free agents as he had done in the past.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

stop being negative retards i need shark on this so shark can you post all the money we are paying all the corners on are'roster show us the'total amount the reason is i deal in stocks anyway example if we pay norman 15 mill and breeland 2 mill thats 17 million dived by 2 so you and i can say thats like haveing 2cb at 8 million a peice please shrk post all cap numbers for are corners so we can see the truth