Nikola Jokić/Shai Gilgeous-Alexander comparison

[thunderc]

Generating points is more than one stat; scoring, assists, even rebounds (esp. offensive).

Plus there are 2 ends on a court

 

[thunderc]

Something else for the stats people. With SGA on the floor the Thunder are +907. No one else is above +543.

 

[Old Sweater]

Yeah, every stat has flaws but they’re not as flawed as opinions that include favoritism or hate. The same math is ran on every player, then compared to league average that accounts for every point scored. At least you have a number to look at, or break down to per game or 48min for a sorted list.

Bill Russell leads in career defensive win shares.

Rank	Player	DWS
1.	Bill Russell*	133.64
2.	Tim Duncan*	106.34
3.	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	94.49
4.	Hakeem Olajuwon*	94.47
5.	Wilt Chamberlain*	93.92
6.	Karl Malone*	92.41
7.	Kevin Garnett*	91.48
8.	Elvin Hayes*	83.65
9.	LeBron James	83.47
10.	Patrick Ewing*	81.42
11.	David Robinson*	80.14
12.	Dwight Howard	76.17
13.	Jason Kidd*	75.14
14.	John Havlicek*	74.09
15.	Robert Parish*	72.98
16.	Ben Wallace*	70.58
17.	Dikembe Mutombo*	68.53
18.	Scottie Pippen*	67.29
19.	Shaquille ONeal*	66.36

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Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/2/2025.

 

[Old Sweater]

There is no wrong with picking SGA or Jokić for MVP using metrics.

 

[Old Sweater]

2024-25 NBA MVP Award Tracker

The NBA MVP Award Tracker ranks candidates based on a model built using previous voting results. Players must have played in at least 70% of the league-wide average for team games to qualify. Players who are not currently on pace to play in 65 games are in italics. Players who cannot reach 65 games played are excluded.

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Rk	Player	Team	W	L	W/L%	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		Prob%
1	Nikola Jokic	DEN	47	29	.618	65	65	36.7	11.3	19.6	.575	2.0	4.7	.416	9.3	14.9	.625	.625	5.3	6.6	.803	2.9	9.9	12.8	10.2	1.8	0.7	3.3	2.3	29.7		56.2%
2	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	63	12	.840	72	72	34.2	11.3	21.7	.522	2.1	5.7	.375	9.2	16.0	.574	.571	8.1	8.9	.901	0.9	4.1	5.0	6.4	1.7	1.0	2.5	2.2	32.8		36.9%

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Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/3/2025.

 

[thunderc]

2024-25 NBA MVP Award Tracker

The NBA MVP Award Tracker ranks candidates based on a model built using previous voting results. Players must have played in at least 70% of the league-wide average for team games to qualify. Players who are not currently on pace to play in 65 games are in italics. Players who cannot reach 65 games played are excluded.

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Rk	Player	Team	W	L	W/L%	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS		Prob%
1	Nikola Jokic	DEN	47	29	.618	65	65	36.7	11.3	19.6	.575	2.0	4.7	.416	9.3	14.9	.625	.625	5.3	6.6	.803	2.9	9.9	12.8	10.2	1.8	0.7	3.3	2.3	29.7		56.2%
2	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	63	12	.840	72	72	34.2	11.3	21.7	.522	2.1	5.7	.375	9.2	16.0	.574	.571	8.1	8.9	.901	0.9	4.1	5.0	6.4	1.7	1.0	2.5	2.2	32.8		36.9%

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Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 4/3/2025.

The final poll has spoken, it’s never wrong.

 

[raptorlife4]

I still think its possible we get co mvp winners

 

[thunderc]

I still think its possible we get co mvp winners

Then the final straw poll will have been wrong for the first time ever. It showed the lead increasing for Shai.

 

[ducky]

Can we add number of coaches fired to the stat list?

 

[shopson67]

Can we add number of coaches fired to the stat list?

Getting hopeful about including your Wolves in that one? 34-3 run last night is wild.

 

[ducky]

Getting hopeful about including your Wolves in that one? 34-3 run last night is wild.

I was for Finch.....until I was against him.

Last year during the playoffs, he really lost me. And this year he has really not played the season well.

Wolves would in better shape today and in the future if they would have put Dillingham and Shannon in the rotation right off the bat. His instances on only playing 8 in a rotation (with a 5 minutes stint for a 9th guy) is stupid.

It hurts them from game to game (fatigue), it hurts them when people get hurt (because the bench guys go from nothing to a lot of minutes) and it hurts them in the future.

But I will say the players seem to love him. So I dont see him going anywhere.

 

[shopson67]

But I will say the players seem to love him. So I dont see him going anywhere.

Maybe that's the problem? Need someone who's not their buddy to hold them accountable?

 

[msgkings322]

Maybe that's the problem? Need someone who's not their buddy to hold them accountable?

The only way it works with a coach that the players don't like is if he has a few rings he can point to

 

[Old Sweater]

Final regular season metrics.
Final 2024-2025 metric GameScore averages>Jokić 30.1>SGA 27.1

 

[thunderc]

Final straw poll, Shai 77 1st place votes, Jokic 23. That’s a wrap.