Nikola Jokić/Shai Gilgeous-Alexander comparison

[Wamu]

And Westbrook is way past that. That’s really remarkable, Olajuwon like

He's gotta be the most unlikely looking superstar of all time. Can you think of another NBAer that always looks tired and looks like he's lumbering up & down court but plays 33+ minutes a game?

 

[YourFriendGannon]

I like stats like that. Great info.

DeAndre Jordan made an AS team too and played, so Westbrook wasn't the first.

 

[bksballer89]

Jokic is my MVP

 

[YourFriendGannon]

DeAndre Jordan made an AS team too and played, so Westbrook wasn't the first.

Devin Harris as well. Both of them only made one so maybe Russ was the first Jokic teammate who's played multiple AS games?

 

[YourFriendGannon]

Devin Harris as well. Both of them only made one so maybe Russ was the first Jokic teammate who's played multiple AS games?

Nope. Isaiah Thomas was in 2 AS games.

 

[shopson67]

I agree voter fatigue is, and absolutely should be, a factor. No way I’m conceding Jokic is the better player though. 11 game lead.

Didn't realize this was a 1 on 1 league

 

[shopson67]

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^^^^^^

I know that has nothing to do with this season. Just thought it was interesting so I wanted to post it.

This season Joker's PER is 32.9. For comparison SGA's is 30.8. Info from stat-.muse.com

Not the best stat, as it doesn't really factor in defense.

 

[shopson67]

Didn't say there weren't. But voter fatigue should not keep a player from winning MVP.

Jordan, Kobe, Lebron all shorted throughout their careers.

 

[shopson67]

He has one title, that’s far from domination

First of all, regular season award. Second of all, titles are a team stat and this is an individual award.

 

[shopson67]

He's gotta be the most unlikely looking superstar of all time. Can you think of another NBAer that always looks tired and looks like he's lumbering up & down court but plays 33+ minutes a game?

Luka?

 

[Shanemansj13]

LeBron a lot.

Kobe maybe 1 more.

I think Lebron easily wins 2 more which puts him at 6. I think you could very well vouch he wins 8 though. Wouldn't be crazy

 

[Wamu]

DeAndre Jordan made an AS team too and played, so Westbrook wasn't the first.

Hey thanks for pointing that out.

Tell ya what from now on I won't be listening to what the local homeristic sportscasters say around here.

 

[Wamu]

Luka?

Good call. But I think Joker looks worse lumbering up & down the court.

 

[Old Sweater]

The metrics are so close between Jokić & SGA right now I wouldn’t be upset if either one won the MVP Joel Embiid, in 2022-2023 over Jokić was a worse pick metric wise Win Shares Jokić 14.9>Embiid 12.3/VORP Jokić 8.8>Embiid 6.4
These last two Nuggets vs Thunder games
3-9-2025 Sunday Thunder 127>Nuggets 103
GameScore SGA 30.2>Jokić 21.2
3-10-2025 Monday Nuggets 140>Thunder 127
GameScore Jokic 37.5>SGA 23.2
Two game GameScore Totals Jokić 58.7>SGA 53.4
2024-2025 GameScore Total Averages Jokić 29.9>SGA 27.2

 

[realityball]

The metrics are so close between Jokić & SGA right now I wouldn’t be upset if either one won the MVP Joel Embiid, in 2022-2023 over Jokić was a worse pick metric wise Win Shares Jokić 14.9>Embiid 12.3/VORP Jokić 8.8>Embiid 6.4
These last two Nuggets vs Thunder games
3-9-2025 Sunday Thunder 127>Nuggets 103
GameScore SGA 30.2>Jokić 21.2
3-10-2025 Monday Nuggets 140>Thunder 127
GameScore Jokic 37.5>SGA 23.2
Two game GameScore Totals Jokić 58.7>SGA 53.4
2024-2025 GameScore Total Averages Jokić 29.9>SGA 27.2

I’m upset it will only go to one of them …
Is there a stat for the rest of the team’s pts/reb/assts … then add win/ loss def. ?

I hate mvp awards when it’s not obvious who helped their team the most …

 

[bksballer89]

SGA is my mvp

 

[msgkings322]

SGA is my mvp

Draymond is mine

 

[Old Sweater]

I’m upset it will only go to one of them …
Is there a stat for the rest of the team’s pts/reb/assts … then add win/ loss def. ?

I hate mvp awards when it’s not obvious who helped their team the most …

At Basketball Reference they have the team stats. Here is the Nuggets advanced stats where math does the heavy lifting. Besides VORP-WS-prorated WS/48min- there is the Box plus minus that shows how much better a team plays with one player on the floor. Jokić is the season and career leader in BPM The Nuggets are 13.6pts better when Jokić is on the floor
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Rk	Player	Age	Pos	G	GS	MP	PER	TS%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48	OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP	Awards
1	Nikola Jokic	29	C	59	59	2148	32.3	.662	.234	.310	9.2	29.0	19.6	44.8	2.3	1.6	13.0	29.1	10.9	3.2	14.1	.316	10.1	3.5	13.6	8.4
2	Christian Braun	23	SG	64	62	2141	16.0	.656	.271	.269	4.3	12.0	8.4	9.2	1.6	1.4	7.5	16.0	4.9	1.6	6.5	.145	0.7	-0.4	0.3	1.2
3	Jamal Murray	27	PG	58	58	2109	17.8	.586	.353	.222	2.0	8.9	5.6	22.8	1.9	1.3	10.3	23.8	4.1	1.5	5.6	.127	1.7	-1.0	0.8	1.5
4	Michael Porter Jr.	26	SF	62	62	2088	16.5	.619	.460	.177	6.2	15.8	11.3	8.5	0.9	1.2	8.1	20.4	3.9	1.4	5.3	.122	1.9	-1.8	0.1	1.1
5	Russell Westbrook	36	PG	58	30	1608	14.9	.542	.349	.278	6.2	13.4	10.0	28.3	2.4	1.7	20.3	22.7	0.5	1.6	2.2	.064	-0.2	0.0	-0.2	0.7
6	Julian Strawther	22	SG	61	4	1351	9.5	.563	.557	.174	1.4	9.0	5.4	7.5	1.3	1.0	10.1	17.7	0.5	0.7	1.3	.045	-3.1	-1.5	-4.6	-0.9
7	Peyton Watson	22	SF	52	12	1229	11.9	.577	.332	.326	3.7	11.2	7.6	7.4	1.6	4.5	11.1	14.0	1.0	1.1	2.1	.083	-1.6	0.3	-1.3	0.2
8	Aaron Gordon	29	PF	38	29	1018	16.3	.630	.339	.322	6.7	12.5	9.8	14.5	0.8	0.8	10.5	18.3	2.4	0.5	2.9	.138	2.2	-1.4	0.8	0.7
9	DeAndre Jordan	36	C	46	2	528	14.6	.626	.000	.349	14.0	29.7	22.2	8.3	1.1	3.4	21.3	12.4	0.6	0.7	1.3	.116	-1.6	-0.1	-1.6	0.1
10	Zeke Nnaji	24	PF	44	3	439	12.0	.600	.359	.282	5.8	10.7	8.4	3.9	1.6	5.0	7.2	12.0	0.5	0.4	0.9	.103	-2.1	0.4	-1.7	0.0
11	Jalen Pickett	25	SG	32	0	358	10.8	.566	.535	.020	1.6	9.1	5.5	19.0	1.1	0.7	12.3	13.5	0.4	0.2	0.6	.077	-0.8	-1.1	-1.9	0.0
12	Hunter Tyson	24	PF	42	0	311	6.5	.505	.662	.311	5.2	15.5	10.6	5.2	0.8	1.4	13.4	13.2	0.0	0.2	0.2	.026	-4.7	-1.8	-6.5	-0.4
13	Dario Saric	30	C	15	4	203	7.4	.430	.464	.179	8.0	18.0	13.2	12.7	1.7	0.4	18.8	15.5	-0.2	0.2	0.0	-0.001	-4.3	-0.5	-4.8	-0.1
14	Trey Alexander	21	SG	18	0	79	2.1	.362	.417	.083	0.0	11.9	6.2	10.3	0.6	1.1	10.8	14.9	-0.1	0.0	-0.1	-0.067	-8.2	-1.8	-10.0	-0.2
15	PJ Hall	22	C	15	0	46	10.6	.476	.357	.286	10.0	27.3	19.1	8.0	0.0	3.9	11.3	16.3	0.0	0.0	0.1	.055	-5.1	-1.7	-6.8	-0.1
16	Vlatko Cancar	27	PF	5	0	36	7.3	.643	.286	.000	9.6	14.5	12.2	0.0	0.0	2.5	22.2	10.6	0.0	0.0	0.0	.032	-5.2	-1.7	-6.9	0.0
17	Spencer Jones	23	SF	13	0	35	-0.3	.250	.700	.000	6.6	12.0	9.4	0.0	4.1	0.0	16.7	14.5	-0.1	0.0	-0.1	-0.118	-11.3	-1.4	-12.7	-0.1
	Team Totals			65	65	15727		.606	.353	.251									29.3	13.4	42.8	.131	1.3	-0.2	1.1	12.3

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Generated 3/11/2025.