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Kirk is NOT elite, Let me repeat that, KIRK IS NOT ELITE, in fact there are no "ELITE" QB's in the NFL. The term "elite" is a made up construct much like good husband/wife. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
We can cite stats for and against and all that does is confuse and feed conversations, which, to that end, gets us nowhere.
What we actually have is a QB who operates efficiently in the offensive system in which he plays. The difference between that and say a Brady is the team around him, QB being the most dependent position on the field, it stands to reason that a winning team has both. Put Kirk in a poorly run offense and he becomes just another journeyman QB. Hell put everyone's favorite reference QB (Brady) in a poorly run offense and he too becomes a lot less than what he is.
Poorly run is poorly run, there are no exceptions nor exceptional people that magically turns poorly run offenses into efficiently run ones. That requires changes far beyond QB. A good coaching staff, players that operate at average or above average NFL play, A GM/ talent evaluator who's able to draft and/or sign players who best fit the system dictated by the HC and his people and an owner willing to both spend the money and allow his professionals to do their work.
I agree that nobody is elite...there are tiers. Brady and Rodgers are on the top tier, alone. KC is on tier two with about ten more.
Some one called Cousins elite who is not his agent or a fan boy.
IM going to rip from the fashion world for a moment.... Just as Orange is the new Black
Elite is the new Average right guys??
This is BS...whoever sold that nonsense that orange is the new black surely got paid, but it's still BS!!
So let me ask.....
Does this color.......really look like this one?...
....and just like that nonsense "elite" really is a non sequitur
Come on man.. for two years all we have heard from some folks is.... You cant pay Cousins like one of the "Elites" because no one thinks he is elite aside from fan boys. Now some one NOT a fan boy comes out and says Cousins just might in fact be elite.... and now all of a sudden.... there is no such thing as elite??
Kinda like the kid in the Matrix... realize.. there is no spoon right??
Come on man.. for two years all we have heard from some folks is.... You cant pay Cousins like one of the "Elites" because no one thinks he is elite aside from fan boys. Now some one NOT a fan boy comes out and says Cousins just might in fact be elite.... and now all of a sudden.... there is no such thing as elite??
Kinda like the kid in the Matrix... realize.. there is no spoon right??
Elite is a thing... cousins just isn't it. Which is fine.
Elite is a thing... cousins just isn't it. Which is fine.
I agree w/ Sty on this one. However - if you want to go there again name me QBs who fall into this category. I would say Brady, Rodgers, probably Wilson, maybe Brees & given some time Wentz. Who else? Big Ben & Ryan have the benefit of tons of weapons & all others have concerns (e.g. Luck w/ injuries or Rivers w/ lack of success & untimely INTs.).
I think that this whole issue is overblown. As alluded to in this thread - Cousins is worth the money & either he gets it here or elsewhere & if elsewhere this team is facing a rebuild (which normally is fine but I don't trust this FO).
Yea I dont mind ruling out use of the term. It is kinda meaningless.
But Id say, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Wilson. Nobody else.