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Will Deflategate sway Hall of Fame voters when considering Tom Brady? - More Sports - SI.com

Hall of Fame voters on if Deflategate will impact their vote for Brady
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BY RICHARD DEITSCH
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Posted: Sun Jun. 28, 2015Updated: Mon Jun. 29, 2015
Legacy is a buzzword that gets trotted out often in the sports media these days—especially when the subject has Hall of Fame credentials—and when legacy meets scandal at the corner of Eyeballs Boulevard, you end up with headlines such as “Is Tom Brady's legacy on the line because of Deflategate?” (SI.com), “Whatever Happens With Appeal, Brady's Legacy Will Survive' (ESPN.com) and “Deflategate May Wind Up Mere Footnote To Tom Brady's Legacy” (USA Today).

I initially planned to lead this column with a piece on whether the findings of the Wells Report (and the still-to-be-determined suspension length) would impact how longtime NFL media members covered Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in the upcoming years. I was curious whether sports media staffers would judge Brady’s future actions and words differently in the wake of significant circumstantial evidence in the 243-page report released in May, which found that it was “more probable than not” that the Patriots deliberately circumvented the league’s rules of play before the 2015 AFC Championship game, and that the four-time Super Bowl champion quarterback was at least “generally aware” of these activities.

But extending that thought further and given the fervor that exists for Hall of Fame voting, I wondered if Brady (a first-ballot lock for Canton based on his play) would suffer at all in the minds of Pro Football Hall of Fame voters. So last week I contacted eight of the 46 Pro Football Hall of Fame voters (SI voters can speak for themselves in their own columns) to ask if their evaluation of Brady for the Hall had changed at all with the Wells Report. As you might have predicted, based on this sample, Brady appears to be in little trouble as a first ballot Hall of Famer if nothing new comes to light. Here’s how the group answered:

Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: I’ve always said that’s why they give us five years, because you can put things in perspective. But I don’t think there is a lot to put into perspective here. I don’t think it has changed my opinion. I think he is a great quarterback and while he might have had what he perceived as an advantage if it’s true, I don’t think it's that big a deal.

Jason Cole, Bleacher Report:I still think Brady is a first-ballot Hall of Famer even if this accusation is true. I realize that throwing a slightly under-inflated ball is an advantage. I remember doing the same thing in intramural football in college so many decades ago. However, to say that the main reason Brady has been so great over the course of 15 years is that he has occasionally thrown an under-inflated [ball] ... well, that's just idiotic. From accuracy to decision-making to toughness to all the other qualities that go into being a great quarterback, Brady is at the top of any list. The conversation about his candidacy for the Hall of Fame should take about 30 seconds.

Bob Glauber, Newsday: I don't think the Wells Report will ultimately stand in the way of Brady being selected as a first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm sure the subject will be discussed, although the intensity of the argument will certainly be lessened by the time that has passed before he's eligible five years from the end of his career. Because the focus of the Wells Report was so narrow, we're not going to get any answers about how long this might have been going on, or if there was more definitive proof that it was happening. Brady's accomplishments on the field will carry the day with the Hall of Fame selectors, and I believe he will be—and ultimately should be—voted in the first time his candidacy is discussed.

Rick Gosselin, The Dallas Morning News: "Brady is still going into the Hall of Fame. He won his first three Super Bowls before the NFL turned over control of the game balls to the quarterbacks in 2006. But I think his status as a first-ballot Hall of Famer could be in jeopardy. If he misses any games from this suspension, he's been deemed a cheater in the eyes of his league. That said, there will still be a bust for him in Canton regardless whether he goes in on the first, second or any ballot thereafter. His career accomplishments match those of any quarterback already in the Hall of Fame. That makes him Canton worthy."

Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune: In terms of Brady’s credentials for Canton, Deflategate will not substantially alter my view of him as a certain first-ballot Hall of Famer. If he retired tomorrow, his body of work would stand with the iconic quarterbacks of the modern era. Whatever role Brady may have played in this controversy is not a game-changer for me in terms of his Hall of Fame resume. While I believe it’s fair to consider Deflategate in assessing Brady’s NFL legacy, his place among the all-time greats is not tarnished from my standpoint.

Jim Trotter, ESPN: My evaluation of Brady for the Hall of Fame hasn’t changed at all. If he were listed on the ballot today, he’d get my vote without hesitation. It’s arguable whether any quarterback has consistently done more with less than Brady. Hall of Fame-caliber QBs typically are connected to, or associated with, at least one Hall of Fame-caliber wide receiver for much of his career. That hasn’t been the case for Brady, who had Randy Moss (a future Hall of Famer) for just four seasons. The argument that he had a competitive advantage by playing with an under-inflated footballs is specious considering he was more efficient and productive in last season’s AFC Championship Game AFTER officials brought in properly-inflated game balls. Bottom line: Brady’s greatness isn’t about the air pressure in a football; it’s about the competitive drive in his heart. It’s about never forgetting he was the 199th player — and seventh quarterback — selected in his draft class. It’s about hard work and football intelligence. It’s about elevating the play of those around him and consistently coming through when the clock is winding down and a play needs to be made. Few have done it as well as Brady.


Mike Sando, ESPN: For HoF purposes, I think the report would work against Brady's candidacy if it showed he relied on illegally deflated footballs in order to be a HoF-caliber QB. I don't think the report even tried to address that. Note that HoF bylaws ask selectors to consider on-field performance. The Wells Report could fall outside the scope of that. Fortunately, there is no rush to form lasting judgments as selectors. We'll have five years following Brady's eventual retirement to figure out what it all means.

Charean Williams, Fort-Worth Star Telegram: What Brady has done on the field far outweighs "Deflategate." He is not a borderline candidate. We are talking about a no-brainer, first-ballot Hall of Famer. Four titles. 21 postseason wins. 53,000 career passing yards. Almost 400 touchdowns. That makes him one of the greatest quarterbacks in history, regardless. PSI isn't responsible for all of that.
 

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THE NOISE REPORT
1. On the subject of whether NFL writers would view Brady through a different prism heading forward regarding week-to-week coverage, most echoed the thoughts of Trotter.

“My perception of Tom Brady hasn’t changed in the least,” Trotter said. “Teams and players have always — and will always — push the boundaries in search of a competitive advantage. This case is just another example. I would need irrefutable proof that Brady instructed someone to deflate the footballs beneath the legal limit for my perception of him to change, and neither the league nor the Wells report has provided that proof. Do I believe Brady has been 100% truthful? Not for a moment. But the next person I meet who has never played with the truth will be the first.

“Maybe I'm too jaded by now, but I think every athlete is looking for some type of edge/advantage,” added Cole. “Some of those are innocent, like Gaylord Perry throwing a spitter, Greg Maddux wanting to throw a scuffed ball or Sammy Sosa using a corked bat. Some of those efforts are sinister, like PED use. In the worst case, I think this is a pretty innocent infraction of the rules. Frankly, I think this is one of the most overwrought controversies in the history of sports. If this is true that Brady had [Jim] McNally deflate the balls, the NFL is just as much at fault as Brady. The NFL thought it was a good idea to have a team employee handle the footballs after the refs had already checked them. So the league allowed the most essential piece of equipment in a football game to be subject to the whims of a team/player. That's not exactly genius.”

Williams said that the story would stay with Brady throughout the rest of his playing days. “The Patriots won by 38 points, rushing for 177 yards and holding the Colts to 209 total yards in the AFC title game,” she said. “So, no, I don't know that it changes my perception of Brady, but I do think it's something that will follow him all the way to Canton. As with Brett and Pine Tar, Brady will have "Deflategate" forever associated with his name.”

Glauber said that the incident would impact his opinion on Brady. “I still view Brady as the most accomplished quarterback of all time, with a body of work that is just incredible, especially over such a prolonged number of years,” he said. “But sure, this whole thing has affected my opinion of him. Something happened here with the footballs, and I believe he knew of any tampering that was going on before the AFC Championship Game—and possibly before that. Quarterbacks make it very clear how they want their footballs prepared, and the fact that just about every former quarterback weighing in on the subject has either criticized Brady, or at the very least not come to his defense, speaks volumes. It is also noteworthy that BillBelichick has mostly steered clear of the whole thing, too. What really bothers me is that none of this had to happen, that he would have had just as good a career without obsessing about the PSI of the footballs. That's the maddening part of the whole thing. That this subject has to enter into the conversation—and it does have to enter into the conversation, because it does affect his legacy—is unfortunate. I'm just disappointed in the guy."
 

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Elitest propaganda. He's guilty of rampant cheating and is condemned in the court of public opinion. No amount of fancy New York Jew lawyers or Robert Kraft goons will change that.
 

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discuss with mild outrage.
 

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Elitest propaganda. He's guilty of rampant cheating and is condemned in the court of public opinion. No amount of fancy New York Jew lawyers or Robert Kraft goons will change that.
you should apply for a HOF vote.
 

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"He deserves to be remembered for everything but the cheating and pedestrian play."
 

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:yawning:
He will always be guilty in the court of public opinion. There's nothing anyone can do about that. not even you rock, despite all your efforts.
 

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"He deserves to be remembered for everything but the cheating and pedestrian play."
im sorry you're so personally upset by these qualified, HOF voters.
 

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He will always be guilty in the court of public opinion. There's nothing anyone can do about that. not even you rock, despite all your efforts.
well, not everyones as smart as me...
 

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He will always be guilty in the court of public opinion. There's nothing anyone can do about that. not even you rock, despite all your efforts.
This is exactly the problem Patt fans have with all the haters. So even if Goodell comes out and says Brady unequivocally did nothing wrong, you think he is still guilty? Haters will hate.
 

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His honesty and integrity will always be tainted. He has lost a lot of respect from those who respected him.
 

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This is exactly the problem Patt fans have with all the haters. So even if Goodell comes out and says Brady unequivocally did nothing wrong, you think he is still guilty? Haters will hate.

But he didnt
 

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This is exactly the problem Patt fans have with all the haters. So even if Goodell comes out and says Brady unequivocally did nothing wrong, you think he is still guilty? Haters will hate.

I'm not a Pats Hater although let's turn your comment around just for a second. What if Sherriff Goodell doesn't eliminate that 4 game suspension, will all you Pats fans still defend Brady?:noidea:
 

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I'm not a Pats Hater although let's turn your comment around just for a second. What if Sherriff Goodell doesn't eliminate that 4 game suspension, will all you Pats fans still defend Brady?:noidea:

Considering that Goodell is both judge, jury and prosecutor in the kangaroo court that is the NFL, of course..

I think most can agree that Goodell is more concerned about his credibility than the actual merits of the infraction at this point.
 

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Opinions are like assholes....
 

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I'm not a Pats Hater although let's turn your comment around just for a second. What if Sherriff Goodell doesn't eliminate that 4 game suspension, will all you Pats fans still defend Brady?:noidea:


of course! except for the die-hard haters, most people realize what a piece of shit report the Wells report is, and today there is an article stating who Wells went to for scientific verification of what he 'hoped' to uncover. Exponent is the company. Read up on them and see how they've done over the years. On their resume is a report that second hand smoke does not cause cancer.
 
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