Need any more proof that the Saints purposely tried to hurt Alex?

[clyde_carbon]

There's definitely a league hypocrisy aspect of this. But with the emphasis on safety lately, the league has to take action, and apparently the Saints have pissed a lot of people off over the past few years.

Agreed. I think the league has to act. But I think the punishment will be more than warranted because of the media's (and the public's) overreaction to this.

 

[anythingispossible]

Wait, you mean defensive players aren't already being paid to go out and hit opposing players as hard as they can?

Look - I understand it's against the rules and the morality issue of "celebrating" injuring someone. But it's not like they went out and drew penalties on every play trying to break someone's ankle or elbow. I'm not sure Greg Williams' conversations went farther than "Hey, I don't care how you take someone out of the game, just don't get a penalty". You don't think this happens in every locker room? On every level? Even in highschool we celebrated the guys who injured the opposing team's star players.

It's a story. But not as big of a story as the media is trying to make it.

Funds were contributed on occasion by Williams

 

[clyde_carbon]

Funds were contributed on occasion by Williams

Yes, and I agree that's immoral. But there isn't a defensive coach in the league that doesn't tell his players to go and hurt people.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Vilma, a former Hurricane. Well, he is used to getting bounty pay, so.....

 

[anythingispossible]

Williams apologized for his role: "It was a terrible mistake, and we knew it was wrong while we were doing it," he said.

 

[clyde_carbon]

Okay so you don't have a point. Good to know.

 

[anythingispossible]

I'm just pissed because it cost us a chance at the Super Bowl.
And as a Viking and you could see they were blatant late hits and it's actually why I ended up on this site. I kept losing accounts on the old site because of the loud mouth Saints fans.
Which reminds me I need to go make an account and stick it back in their face.

 

[MHSL82]

Meh, so what.. a whole lot of guys try to injure players, and this is a big deal because they paid for injuries?

It's low and classless, but its not illegal in the same sense that spygate was by giving the Saints an unfair advantage from taping the other team's practice or plays.. it just gave them the advantage because they took out the other team's QB

You can't tell me the Giants weren't trying to injure Montana way back in 1990, with the same intentions as the Saints defense.

I don't subscribe to the "since you could do it in a less culpable way (or less organized)" or the "it happens all the time" so nothing should happen when it's caught theory. Maybe this puts too much emphasis on the "don't get caught" idea, but I think when you do get caught something should happen, I don't care that other people do it. It doesn't make it ok or alright and you don't get that many opportunities to send a message to those making the game worse.

I think hard hits are fine. I'm not a fan of all the safety rules changes. What I don't like is giving incentive to do it illegally. I don't think they told them "do it this way" but it's irresponsible to give them a blank check for the hits or expect them to follow your guidelines on what types of hits if they think you won't notice. If someone took out the opposing QB on an illegal hit but they weren't penalized, do you really think they would withhold the bounty money? I don't like the idea that these people were so beyond the rules that they either thought it was ok or that they'd never get caught. You might find this passive aggressive but I hate when people do something wrong, get away with it, and then others use that as a reason for why they should get away with it. If you know it's a league wide thing, pretty common, and you think it's unfair that you were caught, prove others culpable, too or accept it. Also, any win that you get that way is tainted. Even for those not participating and to them it's unfair. This controversy is going to make those innocent of it look guilty, too.

I won't make too big of deal about it. In fact, I don't *really* care what happens. I just don't like the so what or defense to it responses. How is this game or world going to be good when even things that should be bad are "whatever"? That being said, I do think this particular incident is insignificant by itself and I either think we are on an irreversible domino effect already (prior) or that this won't cause the domino effect to occur. I'll explain if needed but I have a feeling no one would care for me to go on.

 

[Flyingiguana]

the only time i think a bounty was justified was when the pats were running up scores after spygate dinged them.

up by 20+ late and they go 4 wr. send the house and see if the pats keep trying to run up the score

 

[Yadahell]

The Rams will soon be looking for a new defensive coordinator.

 

[threelittleturds]

I don't subscribe to the "since you could do it in a less culpable way (or less organized)" or the "it happens all the time" so nothing should happen when it's caught theory. Maybe this puts too much emphasis on the "don't get caught" idea, but I think when you do get caught something should happen, I don't care that other people do it. It doesn't make it ok or alright and you don't get that many opportunities to send a message to those making the game worse.

I think hard hits are fine. I'm not a fan of all the safety rules changes. What I don't like is giving incentive to do it illegally. I don't think they told them "do it this way" but it's irresponsible to give them a blank check for the hits or expect them to follow your guidelines on what types of hits if they think you won't notice. If someone took out the opposing QB on an illegal hit but they weren't penalized, do you really think they would withhold the bounty money? I don't like the idea that these people were so beyond the rules that they either thought it was ok or that they'd never get caught. You might find this passive aggressive but I hate when people do something wrong, get away with it, and then others use that as a reason for why they should get away with it. If you know it's a league wide thing, pretty common, and you think it's unfair that you were caught, prove others culpable, too or accept it. Also, any win that you get that way is tainted. Even for those not participating and to them it's unfair. This controversy is going to make those innocent of it look guilty, too.

I won't make too big of deal about it. In fact, I don't *really* care what happens. I just don't like the so what or defense to it responses. How is this game or world going to be good when even things that should be bad are "whatever"? That being said, I do think this particular incident is insignificant by itself and I either think we are on an irreversible domino effect already (prior) or that this won't cause the domino effect to occur. I'll explain if needed but I have a feeling no one would care for me to go on.

Well, I think they should get punished because this was against the rules. I just don't see how people can say it is like Spygate or worse than it.. because plenty of teams out there try to injure players to win games. The 49ers lost Alex Smith for basically two years because the Seahawks tried to injure him, and succeeded in destroying his shoulder.

That is what makes me say, meh, I don't care... because the 49ers play other organizations that try to injure their players, and two of them are in the NFC West... the Seahawks and Cardinals are definitely trying to injure 49ers.

Its not like I like those guys, I still think Warren Sapp is a piece of shit because to this day, he takes pride in being the guy who injured Jerry Rice. During this past season, he was bragging about it on NFL Network in a live broadcast about being the only guy who "got Jerry Rice off the field".

 

[mufasa76]

Shouldn't sean payton be held responsible since he was the head coach?

sh1t yeah-The NFL better bring the books on this one....We are watching Goodell....

 

[bigpb72]

barkley summed it up for me ...NFL.com news: Barkley on 'bounty': 'You have to be a punk to snitch'

 

[bigpb72]

aints need to just put the bags over there head and continue to loose bounty or not they team is breaking up now alll of a sudden this leaks blahhh lets go Niners!!

 

[mysfit]

Well in this instance Barkley is an azz.

Someone needed to speak up.

Saints need to have fines, suspensions, penalties, loss of draft picks and lose a franchise tag or two.

The hammer needs to come down on this. Starting with Payton.

 

[bigpb72]

the ppl that "spoke up not on the team no more thats wack !! you get no integrity points for that why the didnt speak up the week of the super bowl when they won, if they had so many captian Africa's on they team?? And for them to have a bounty system it shore didnt work smh this whole thing is ruining the best part of the off season imo

 

[Jikkle]

I would venture that probably every defense has chipped in money and had bounties before so I actually agree with Clyde that it's really not as big of a deal as it's being made out to be.

I think where the Saints hurt themselves in all of this is that their bounty program became too big and too organized and involved too many coaches that the league couldn't help not to notice and do something about it.

I'm sure a couple guys coming together and chipping in a pot for whoever gets the most sacks, most tackles, most QB hits, and etc wouldn't have been a big deal to the league or really anyone else.

 

[h-hour]

the only time i think a bounty was justified was when the pats were running up scores after spygate dinged them.

up by 20+ late and they go 4 wr. send the house and see if the pats keep trying to run up the score

Give me a break. How about it being okay last year when the Saints were letting Brees-puff pad his stats?

Personally, just because its the Saints mind you, I hope the league hammers them hard enough to knock them into 1998. Hit them harder than that fucking hurricane that the saints want us to feel sorry for them over. Fuck 'em.

Most other teams I wouldnt have an opinion on but the saints have tried to build this 'hero/role model' persona up and the media and Gruden have ate it up.

 

[Flyingiguana]

if they didn't try to break the record i believe it was their last home game? i think the dome would have been brought to the ground

 

[h-hour]

if they didn't try to break the record i believe it was their last home game? i think the dome would have been brought to the ground

They did it in the playoff game against the Lions as well. It amazes me the hatred people have for the Patriots that season and yet its okay when its a 'feel good story' (I put that in quotations because it makes we wanna puke) its okay.

Once again, I have no problem with the pats running up the score or the aints doing it..both fell flat on their face in the end (though what brady did is much more impressive than what the queen of the dome accomplished).