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Oh shit now you're a Lakers fan? Bad choice, really bad choice. There's already way too many of those people around here.
Oh shit now you're a Lakers fan? Bad choice, really bad choice. There's already way too many of those people around here.
and it furthers my point.
You could say that about just about ANYONE in summer league.....take Osman with the Cavs- he is a 2nd year player that did not get a ton of run last year. Even though he played in summer league he only played a couple games- which is typically what happens unless you are a rookie. A vast majority of players on these summer league teams will be bagging groceries in a couple weeks.
The overiding reason to give a guy so many minutes in his 2nd year after being a 1st round pick in the summer league i believe is to feature him for a trade. Otherwise its very very rare to see a guy- A. play in summer league in his 2nd year after being a 1st round pick, and B. playing so much. Like Osman- you might get a couple games- but only so much can be done playing against some 30 year old from Notre Dame getting paid a 100 bucks a day trying to keep the dream alive. The Cavs decided to let Zizic leave and not play Osman so they could see guys like Preston to dtermine if they are worthy of camp invites.
Ill guarantee you the reason that Hart got so much run, and not only played, but has played a TON is that they are featuring him to get his trade value up.
there are very few 2nd year players that accomplished much of anything that go to Summer League.
There are plenty of fringe prospects and never-beens in the summer league---- but typically you dont see 2nd year players there that got much run during their rookie seasons. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.
whoa.. holy shit--- i didnt realize the guy was already 23 either.
If Colin Sexton is playing in summer league at the age of 23 and being featured you got a BIG BIG PROBLEM. lol.
only reason you have a 23 year old playing THAT much in summer league is to try and get his value up and get him some exposure.
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do have to say--- a few things make this a lot beter this time aaround--- (i) lebron will be 34 in December, and (ii) the Cavs are a MILLION times better off this time around.
Osman and Sexton will be good guys to start with. Zizic, Clarkson, Hood, Nance are not a bad base either.
Collins is 20 years old. Monk is 20 years old. Hart is 23 years old. You think Collins and Monk are gonna play in summer league 3 years from now?3 leading ppg were all 2nd year players (Hart, Collins, Monk). Collins and Monk were drafted before Hart and played similar roles last season (as did Osman and Zizic). It's additional game time to work on specific things prior to camp, no reason not to take advantage of it.
whoa.. holy shit--- i didnt realize the guy was already 23 either.
If Colin Sexton is playing in summer league at the age of 23 and being featured you got a BIG BIG PROBLEM. lol.
only reason you have a 23 year old playing THAT much in summer league is to try and get his value up and get him some exposure.
and thats exactly why Osman barely played and they let Zizic go to Croatia for the world cup.Osman is also 23. Holland (on the Cavs roster last year) is 29. Zizic is 21 going into his 2nd season with the Cavs.
23 is the normal age for collegiate graduates going into their 2nd pro season.
Interesting tidbit: Hart scored his first pro double-double vs the Cavs on 12/14/17.
whoa.. holy shit--- i didnt realize the guy was already 23 either.
If Colin Sexton is playing in summer league at the age of 23 and being featured you got a BIG BIG PROBLEM. lol.
only reason you have a 23 year old playing THAT much in summer league is to try and get his value up and get him some exposure.
Osman is also 23. Holland (on the Cavs roster last year) is 29. Zizic is 21 going into his 2nd season with the Cavs.
23 is the normal age for collegiate graduates going into their 2nd pro season.
Interesting tidbit: Hart scored his first pro double-double vs the Cavs on 12/14/17.
John Collins 20 years oldAge doesn't matter, he's still a second year pro, just like:
John Collins
Bird/Ojeleye
Caris Levert (3rd year)
Willy Hernangomez (3rd year)
Malik Monk
Brice Johnson
Zizic/Osman
Luke Kennard
Jordan Bell
TJ Leaf
Sindarius Thornwell
Ivan Rabb
Wayne Selden (3rd year)
Bam Adebayo
Frank Ntilikina
Cheick Diallo (3rd year)
Johnathan Issac
Dragan Bender (3rd year)
Josh Jackson
Wade Baldwin
Zach Collins
Harry Giles
OG Anunoby
Malachi Richardson
In fact, at least 14 players drafted before Hart in the 2017 draft are playing, and at least 25 total from that draft alone.
Osman is also 23. Holland (on the Cavs roster last year) is 29. Zizic is 21 going into his 2nd season with the Cavs.
23 is the normal age for collegiate graduates going into their 2nd pro season.
Interesting tidbit: Hart scored his first pro double-double vs the Cavs on 12/14/17.
John Collins 20 years old
Bird/Ojeleye
Caris Levert (3rd year)
Willy Hernangomez (3rd year)- non prospect
Malik Monk- 20 years old
Brice Johnson- non prospect 24 years old
Zizic/Osman- barely played- 21 and 23 years old
Luke Kennard- 22 year old fringe prospect
Jordan Bell- 23 year old 2nd rounder fringe guy
TJ Leaf- 21 years old
Sindarius Thornwell- have no clue who this is- bagging groceries soon?
Ivan Rabb- have no clue who this is- bagging groceries soon?
Wayne Selden (3rd year)- have no clue who this is- bagging groceries soon?
Bam Adebayo- 20 years old
Frank Ntilikina- 19 years old
Cheick Diallo (3rd year) have no clue who this is- bagging groceries soon?
Johnathan Issac- 20 years old
Dragan Bender (3rd year)- sucks
Josh Jackson- 20 years old
Wade Baldwin - have no clue who this is- bagging groceries soon?
Zach Collins- 20 years old
Harry Giles- 20 years old
OG Anunoby- 20 years old
Malachi Richardson
Hart was probably the only guy who was guaranteed a roster spot in his 2nd year at his age of 23. It should be no surprise he played well. He has experience and was older than just about any of the real NBA talent that was at Summer League- and he played a TON. That is a very weird/rare combination and i think it speaks directly to the fact that the Lakers were trying to up his trade value- otherwise playing a 23 year old 2nd year player who was a first rounder and guaranteed a roster spot is very very rare.
Look at the list of guys you had out of the ones who actually have NBA talent.
Osman- 23- barely played
Zizic- 21 - barely played
TJ Leaf- 21
Bam - 20
Isaac- 20
Jackson- 20
Collins- 20
Giles- 20
OG- 20
Nkitlaina- 20
Monk - 20
Hart- played a ton 23 years old
one is not like the other. I mean unless you want to compare Hart to guys like Bender etc.
no other guys besides non-prospects played nearly that many minutes/games at Hart's age.Great point about the trade value; the only true reason to play him
yah-- non prospects like Holland will play minutes....those type of guys are the core of the Summer League. Basically Quad A players if you like a baseball comparison.That’s why Osman only played 2 games. Holland is in a totally different situation, basically a d-league kind of player. It was his first year in the league. The point is Hart doesnt need to be playing all throughout summer league, like Osman or Zizic didnt. They only played two games to get a feel with the team.
Great point about the trade value; the only true reason to play him