NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Wamu]

 

[Black Adam]

Yeah I mean can’t disagree with that. He looks to be 3rd in that class, 2nd as a passer bc of Josh Allen’s crazy, supernatural growth as an accurate passer lol. I put Lamar at 2nd bc he did win a MVP and he is easily the greatest athlete we’ve ever seen at the position by far, his legs sets up his passing ability but at times he makes great throws just still inconsistent. I feel like he is definitely a system guy as well but you could say that about a ton of QB’s. Either way as of right now I would take Baker for 3rd considering how great Allen has been and how dynamic Lamar is as well. If Baker keeps playing like he has been than he will jump to 2nd.

lol, wouldn't have Josh Allen so high a year ago. guy's actually starting to be somewhat scary. as far as Cheesecake Baker is concerned, i think one big factor has helped and Wamu said it the other day. the kid finally decided to grow up. maturity certainly helps...

 

[Wamu]

lol, wouldn't have Josh Allen so high a year ago. guy's actually starting to be somewhat scary. as far as Cheesecake Baker is concerned, i think one big factor has helped and Wamu said it the other day. the kid finally decided to grow up. maturity certainly helps...

The biggest difference for Mayfield from last year to this year is Kevin Stephanski. There's no doubt about that. And unlike last year with Freddie the vets in the lockerroom actually have respect for him. They had no respect for Freddie last season.

 

[Shanemansj13]

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Mahomie didn’t? Uhh ohh Baker is a comin for ya lol

 

[dtgold88]

lol, wouldn't have Josh Allen so high a year ago. guy's actually starting to be somewhat scary. as far as Cheesecake Baker is concerned, i think one big factor has helped and Wamu said it the other day. the kid finally decided to grow up. maturity certainly helps...

I think Stefanski helped a lot more, but definitely glad to see the kid has grown up some.

 

[Shanemansj13]

lol, wouldn't have Josh Allen so high a year ago. guy's actually starting to be somewhat scary. as far as Cheesecake Baker is concerned, i think one big factor has helped and Wamu said it the other day. the kid finally decided to grow up. maturity certainly helps...

Josh Allen’s turnaround is crazy, it is almost a miracle type of turnaround. His hard work paid off changing his entire throwing motion and footwork he’s had his whole career. But what is crazy about it is how quickly it happened. 2 years ago he was shit, absolute shit. Last year was a big improvement but still he was average at best. Now he is elite, especially coupled with how much of an athlete he was already. Unbelievable

 

[Wamu]

Mahomie didn’t? Uhh ohh Baker is a comin for ya lol

If you only pay attention to the college stats it's Mayfield > Mahomes by a mile.

signed- wiggy

 

[tlance]

I don't need to know the fake guru's data. If Baker is a quality franchise QB by simple math that is better than slightly above average even by your own flawed numbers.

32 QBs. slightly above average is 13-15th best.
If there are 20 franchise QBs as you said, the 10th best is average. stands to reason you'd need to be above that to be called quality.

He missed.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Like no clue at all.

It is pretty funny really.

 

[Wamu]

Josh Allen’s turnaround is crazy, it is almost a miracle type of turnaround. His hard work paid off changing his entire throwing motion and footwork he’s had his whole career. But what is crazy about it is how quickly it happened. 2 years ago he was shit, absolute shit. Last year was a big improvement but still he was average at best. Now he is elite, especially coupled with how much of an athlete he was already. Unbelievable

Being so damn close to Wyoming I gotta chance to watch Allen play a lot. I thought he was an NFL caliber type player while a Cowboy. But I didn't expect him to look like this so early in his career. The Bills gotta special QB.

Don't know why I just thought of this, but it's funny as hell. When Sam Darnold had his pro day at USC the local media out there was swinging off his nutz like they were a jungle gym. Going on and on about the guts of Darnold having his pro day...when it was raining in Southern freakin' Cali. My only thought was. Please keep Darnold the hell away from Cleveland. Good for Sammy that he can throw a football when it's raining though.

 

[tlance]

slightly above average QB does not = quality franchise QB in any world. You are the one who says your friend is wrong (and he is).

spin, dance, deflect, whatever...that wont change.

never mind the "expert analysis" that a QB would do well in a system that would suit his skillset and struggle in one that did not. Bet it took a lot of research and formulas to come up with that nugget.

Pure comedy.

Your problem is that you choose to make assumptions about what my words mean instead of asking me what they mean.

Then you take a semantical argument and beat it to ever living death.

Baker Mayfield is right in target to be what I said he would be. A good franchise QB. Not a superstar, an Eli Manning type.

Which is pretty much exactly what I said he could be if he maxed out his upside. And you should be happy with that because a lot of QBs drafted in the first round don’t live up to that.

 

[Wamu]

You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

Why thank you. My New Years resolution is to excel in that area. Now if I could only speak another language I'd have everyone guessing what the hell I'm saying.

 

[dtgold88]

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. Like no clue at all.

It is pretty funny really.

what's always funny is you being a walking contradiction and/or arguing with yourself as you are dong in this case in order to disagree. When I think someone's wrong, I'll usually explain why with logic, facts and reason as I did here. You? Deflection. Feel free to refute my math if you'd like or can just do the usual "I already did" when you haven't.

My favorite, though, in all this has to be this pearl of wisdom that your guru came up with....... "a QB would do well in a system that would suit his skillset and struggle in one that did not"

Idea an NFL team has not hired him just for that type of insight is a headscratcher.

 

[Wamu]

Anyone else not watching the Myrtle Beach Bowl between App State & N. Texas? I'm listening to some Muddy Waters right now.

 

[dtgold88]

Your problem is that you choose to make assumptions about what my words mean instead of asking me what they mean.

Then you take a semantical argument and beat it to ever living death.

Baker Mayfield is right in target to be what I said he would be. A good franchise QB. Not a superstar, an Eli Manning type.

Which is pretty much exactly what I said he could be if he maxed out his upside. And you should be happy with that because a lot of QBs drafted in the first round don’t live up to that.

Try and stay focused. I don't disagree with your analysis of Baker. My disagreement is you saying this but saying your "expert" nailed it by calling him a slightly below average QB. Eli Manning is a slightly below avg. QB?

Once again before you reply to help you out.....I AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS. I DISAGREE WITH YOUR EXPERT (and so do you it seems).

I get not in you to admit you are off base even when it is so painfully clear but you have to either just be messing with me or making a late push for a post of the year award.

Maybe time for an "all I do is argue" retort as you are arguing?

 

[tlance]

what's always funny is you being a walking contradiction and/or arguing with yourself as you are dong in this case in order to disagree. When I think someone's wrong, I'll usually explain why with logic, facts and reason as I did here. You? Deflection. Feel free to refute my math if you'd like or can just do the usual "I already did" when you haven't.

My favorite, though, in all this has to be this pearl of wisdom that your guru came up with....... "a QB would do well in a system that would suit his skillset and struggle in one that did not"

Idea an NFL team has not hired him just for that type of insight is a headscratcher.

My friend is no guru

But he does have real data that multiple NFL teams pay a lot of $ for. And yes, teams have tried to hire his company exclusively, but he makes a lot more money as a free agent.

 

[tlance]

Try and stay focused. I don't disagree with your analysis of Baker. My disagreement is you saying this but saying your "expert" nailed it by calling him a slightly below average QB. Eli Manning is a slightly below avg. QB?

Once again before you reply to help you out.....I AGREE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS. I DISAGREE WITH YOUR EXPERT (and so do you it seems).

I get not in you to admit you are off base even when it is so painfully clear but you have to either just be messing with me or making a late push for a post of the year award.

My friend never called him slightly below average.

You have no idea.

And now you are making shit up.

 

[dtgold88]

My friend is no guru

But he does have real data that multiple NFL teams pay a lot of $ for. And yes, teams have tried to hire his company exclusively, but he makes a lot more money as a free agent.

after his comments on QBs being better in a system to suit their skills than not this seems obvious

 

[dtgold88]

My friend never called him slightly below average.

You have no idea.

And now you are making shit up.

Not making anything up but I did make a mistake, and as an adult it's one I will own. You did say he said slightly ABOVE average and those are the numbers I used as you can see (sorry for the confusion which was on me). If you recall I said 32 QBs, and said his grade would have him at 13-15 which would be slightly above (not sure why I was writing below which would be more like 17-19th best).

But either way a slightly above average QB (13-15th best) is not as good as a quality franchise QB and Eli Manning is much better than slightly above avg. Unless you think Eli is not better than slightly above avg. your friend did not nail it per your own analysis.

 

[tlance]

after his comments on QBs being better in a system to suit their skills than not this seems obvious

LOL.

Look at you moving the goal posts.

You literally took a piece of my quote “slightly above average” decontextualized it, then even changed it to “slightly below average”.

And even then, it was that Baker could be a slightly above average franchise QB with some bust risk. He is never going to be Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes, but you can win with the guy if you have a good scheme.

Yes. Eli Manning perfectly incapsulates the type of QB I have been talking about all along as a Baker comp for his ability. And if you go back, I probably even made that comp months ago when we last had this discussion. If a I didn’t with you, I know I have with other people.

But you would rather pick apart semantics and make up your own narratives to try and “win” an argument.

Carry on.

 

[dtgold88]

LOL.

Look at you moving the goal posts.

You literally took a piece of my quote “slightly above average” decontextualized it, then even changed it to “slightly below average”.

And even then, it was that Baker could be a slightly above average franchise QB with some bust risk. He is never going to be Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes, but you can win with the guy if you have a good scheme.

Yes. Eli Manning perfectly incapsulates the type of QB I have been talking about all along as a Baker comp for his ability.

But you would rather pick apart semantics and make up your own narratives to try and “win” an argument.

Nope what I did was make a mistake by calling it below even though the numbers I used showed I knew he said above avg. Some form of dyslexia? No clue why.

as for the rest, it's just you being you and incapable of admitting you are off base. For you to say baker is Eli that would mean for your friend to have "nailed it" you think Eli was slightly above average (as your friend called baker). Let's make it easy. Is Eli Manning a slightly above average QB?
a) yes
b) no

There is no getting around you saying he came up with the pearl of wisdom that a QB can be better in a system built to his strengths than one that is not. That's high level info there. I wonder what 1 team might have paid to keep it away from other teams.