NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[dtgold88]

so much for the Raiders playoff hopes @DJ

Hopefully does not matter to us, but hope they still try to beat Miami next week even though pretty much done.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Hopefully does not matter to us, but hope they still try to beat Miami next week even though pretty much done.

we just need to beat hte Giants this week.

as long as we do that everything should be fine.

no doubt its a game that we really have to have.

id hate to HAVE to win the last game against Pittsburgh.

 

[Shanemansj13]

so much for the Raiders playoff hopes @DJ

I feel like they are the frauds of the NFL.

They beat KC and N.O. and now lose 4 out of 5 (should have been 5 straight and the worst team). So inconsistent

 

[Shanemansj13]

we just need to beat hte Giants this week.

as long as we do that everything should be fine.

no doubt its a game that we really have to have.

id hate to HAVE to win the last game against Pittsburgh.

Right, if they can beat the Giants they will secure a playoff spot. They have Jets next week so that should be a win. Then finish in Pitt, if the Browns can get healthy by then it might be a 50-50 but the defense has to show more promise for me to say that even with the Steelers’ struggles

 

[dtgold88]

we just need to beat hte Giants this week.

as long as we do that everything should be fine.

no doubt its a game that we really have to have.

id hate to HAVE to win the last game against Pittsburgh.

No question......win the 2 NY games and we should be in. Should be able to take Giants but not a gimme. This isn't OSU against a MAC school.

Looking like KC might get the 1 seed so doesn't even mean we must try and avoid the 7 seed to not get them in WC round. Could even argue might be better off at 6 or 7 to avoid them until the AFC title game.

OK...getting ahead of myself.

 

[dtgold88]

Right, if they can beat the Giants they will secure a playoff spot. They have Jets next week so that should be a win. Then finish in Pitt, if the Browns can get healthy by then it might be a 50-50 but the defense has to show more promise for me to say that even with the Steelers’ struggles

FYI, steeler game is here.

 

[Shanemansj13]

FYI, steeler game is here.

I didn’t mean they play at Pitt...honestly didn’t know where it was played though lol

 

[DJ Fieri]

No question......win the 2 NY games and we should be in. Should be able to take Giants but not a gimme. This isn't OSU against a MAC school.

Looking like KC might get the 1 seed so doesn't even mean we must try and avoid the 7 seed to not get them in WC round. Could even argue might be better off at 6 or 7 to avoid them until the AFC title game.

OK...getting ahead of myself.

The Giants defense has really come around.....

 

[trojanfan12]

If we win out it's still possible but too much other shit would have to happen so it's over. It all starts with beating Miami.....but I'm over this fucking season. 2 seasons where we started 6-4 and 6-3.....and no postseason.

Get a new DC and some defensive players, maybe trade or release Carr (good season passing but over his fumble-itis) and roll with Mariota while we groom a youngster to replace him.

Or spend some money on the defense. I heard the Raiders spent more money on their o-line than the whole defense. You started off 6-3 because your DC was able to scheme well enough that he could hide their weaknesses. After awhile, OC's figure that out and you don't have the players to stop them.

End of the day, it doesn't matter how good your DC and his schemes are if you don't have the talent to play them.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Or spend some money on the defense. I heard the Raiders spent more money on their o-line than the whole defense. You started off 6-3 because your DC was able to scheme well enough that he could hide their weaknesses. After awhile, OC's figure that out and you don't have the players to stop them.

End of the day, it doesn't matter how good your DC and his schemes are if you don't have the talent to play them.

The defense has been horrid form game 1. The DC sucked, we won in spite of the defense.....

A good DC will help.....and I did say we need a pass rusher to help out Crosby and help in the secondary. In a football thread, I said that.

 

[trojanfan12]

The defense has been horrid form game 1. The DC sucked, we won in spite of the defense.....

A good DC will help.....and I did say we need a pass rusher to help out Crosby and help in the secondary. In a football thread, I said that.

But earlier in the year, the defense was at least serviceable. You have no idea how good your DC is because the Raiders have given him a bunch of average to below average players (and that may be giving them too much credit).

First thing to do is to get guys who can actually play. Then, if the defense still sucks, you replace the DC.

The Seahawks defense was historically bad. Instead of replacing the DC, they went and got a guy who can actually rush the passer and a guy who can actually cover someone and the defense has been much better.

 

[DJ Fieri]

But earlier in the year, the defense was at least serviceable. You have no idea how good your DC is because the Raiders have given him a bunch of average to below average players (and that may be giving them too much credit).

First thing to do is to get guys who can actually play. Then, if the defense still sucks, you replace the DC.

The Seahawks defense was historically bad. Instead of replacing the DC, they went and got a guy who can actually rush the passer and a guy who can actually cover someone and the defense has been much better.

I want Mariota instead of Carr and that saves us some cash.....draft a QB we can groom for 2 seasons, re-sign Waller and Agholor, Williams will be healthy, get Wade Phillips, and a pass rusher.....plus a few secondary pieces and I think we'll be better.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Maybe trade Carr for a 3rd or 4th rounder or release him if we have to.

 

[trojanfan12]

I want Mariota instead of Carr and that saves us some cash.....draft a QB we can groom for 2 seasons, re-sign Waller and Agholor, Williams will be healthy, get Wade Phillips, and a pass rusher.....plus a few secondary pieces and I think we'll be better.

Mariota is fools gold, imo. He's a good backup and as we saw last night, can really be a handful when a team hasn't had a chance to prepare for him. It's kind of a catch-22 with him. In order for him to be a starter, he would need to change how he plays because, as a qb, you can't play like he played last night and stay healthy for a full 16 game season, let alone several years worth. He got smoked 2 or 3 times.

But if they change how he plays, they take away a lot of what made him so good last night.

 

[trojanfan12]

Maybe trade Carr for a 3rd or 4th rounder or release him if we have to.

Your offense isn't the problem and neither is Carr. The problem is the defense. If the Raiders get 2 or 3 guys who can actually play defense, they would be back in the playoffs next season.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Mariota is fools gold, imo. He's a good backup and as we saw last night, can really be a handful when a team hasn't had a chance to prepare for him. It's kind of a catch-22 with him. In order for him to be a starter, he would need to change how he plays because, as a qb, you can't play like he played last night and stay healthy for a full 16 game season, let alone several years worth. He got smoked 2 or 3 times.

But if they change how he plays, they take away a lot of what made him so good last night.

I am just tired of Carr....he had a good season throwing the ball but has developed fumble-itis.....and is scared to run. Mariota could run Gruden's offense for a few seasons while we develop a youngster.....and if we can tweak the defense a little be better than this season. IMO.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Your offense isn't the problem and neither is Carr. The problem is the defense. If the Raiders get 2 or 3 guys who can actually play defense, they would be back in the playoffs next season.

Trust me, I know.....Wade Phillips and a few defesive players and run Mariota out there at QB.....think we'd be fine.

 

[trojanfan12]

I am just tired of Carr....he had a good season throwing the ball but has developed fumble-itis.....and is scared to run. Mariota could run Gruden's offense for a few seasons while we develop a youngster.....and if we can tweak the defense a little be better than this season. IMO.

Carr certainly isn't a star qb. But he gives you a better chance to win long term than Mariota, imo. If the Jets are truly going to draft Lawrence, the Raiders might be smart to look at Darnold. I believe he makes less than Mariota, could spend a couple of seasons with Gruden working with him and him watching Carr.

Then, in a couple of seasons, they can move Carr and start Darnold. Or, if they're happy with Carr, they can trade Darnold who will have hopefully had the Jets taint removed from him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Not like it is going to happen but you would trade a combination of Garland, Sexton or Porter Jr and draft picks for James Harden?

@dtgold88 @WiggyRuss

 

[tlance]

Mariota is fools gold, imo. He's a good backup and as we saw last night, can really be a handful when a team hasn't had a chance to prepare for him. It's kind of a catch-22 with him. In order for him to be a starter, he would need to change how he plays because, as a qb, you can't play like he played last night and stay healthy for a full 16 game season, let alone several years worth. He got smoked 2 or 3 times.

But if they change how he plays, they take away a lot of what made him so good last night.

Exactly.

Get some film on him and let defenses prep for him and he goes right back to inconsistent Tennessee Mariota. Carr is better.

Look how Taysom Hill has gotten worse in each start. Same will happen with Hurts in Philly and Mariota (although probably to a lesser extent) in Oakland.