My Mock 3.0

[augustisback003]

Here's my latest mock with the expectation that the Bengals will re-sign both Andre Smith and Thomas Howard. Here's my rationale for this mock. I've went back and looked at the last 5 drafts and there's alway a top 10 ranked player that slides down the board; usually a lineman or wr ('08 Rashard Mendenhall ranked 7th|picked 23rd, '09 Jeremy Maclin ranked 10th|picked 19th, '10 Dez Bryant ranked 11th|picked 24th, '11 Cameron Jordan ranked 9th|picked 24th, '12 Chandler Jones ranked 11th|picked 21st). With that in mind that's why I see Jonathan Cooper as the one falling this year. He's the 2nd ranked OG after Chance Warmack and with Tennessee signing Andy Levitre that should push the guards down the board. With the Bengals expected to re-sign Smith and Howard that would allow them to select the best player available. The Bengals hold the 21st pick, the same as last year, picks are based on last year's selection.

Round 1 (21st overall)- Jonathan Cooper OG 6'2⅛" 311 North Carolina
Round 2 (37th overall)- Justin Hunter* WR 6'4" 196 Tennessee
Round 2 (53rd overall)- Arthur Brown OLB 6'0⅜" 241 Kansas State
Round 3 (84th overall)- Bacarri Rambo S 6'0½" 211 Georgia
Round 4 (116th overall)- Le'veon Bell RB 6'1⅜" 230 Michigan State
Round 5 (156th overall)- Matt Scott QB 6'2⅛" 213 Arizona
Round 6 (191st overall)- Dustin Hopkins PK 6'2" 193 Florida State
Round 6 (200th overall)- David Bass DE 6'3⅞" 262 Missouri Western

 

[Tubbs1518]

There is absolutely a 0% chance we take an OG at 21. Zero, Nada, None. Boling and Zeitler are starting OGs next year. There is a 0% chance Brown lasts until 53. None. Dalton can't throw a deep ball, why pick a deep ball WR? If we are taking a WR, we need a guy who can play down the middle and make guys miss. Woods or Hopkins. We don't get a change of pace back. One of the absolute main things we need.

 

[augustisback003]

There is absolutely a 0% chance we take an OG at 21. Zero, Nada, None. Boling and Zeitler are starting OGs next year. There is a 0% chance Brown lasts until 53. None. Dalton can't throw a deep ball, why pick a deep ball WR? If we are taking a WR, we need a guy who can play down the middle and make guys miss. Woods or Hopkins. We don't get a change of pace back. One of the absolute main things we need.

Really? Zero percent chance, huh? There's a zero percent chance we won't draft the best player available if he's there because we already have another player at his position? Is that right? Well that didn't stop the Bengals from drafting Chris Perry with the 26th pick in '04 even though we had Rudy Johnson who was coming off a 1400 yd season that year. It didn't stop them from drafting Andrew Whitworth as a guard with the 55th pick in '06 even though they had Eric Steinbach. It didn't stop them them from drafting Leon Hall in '07 with the 18th pick even though they spent their 1st Round pick the year before on Johnathan Joseph. It didn't stop them from drafting Jerome Simpson with the 46th pick in '08 even though they had Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Marvin Lewis has a history of drafting the best player available regardless of position. But instead of wasting your time trying to talk trash, which you're not very good at, why don't you spend it creating your own mock.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I think there is a chance be draft best available, but I don't see it being a guard, especially with our needs.

Boling and Zeitler, along with Wharton, or whatever his name is. I just do not see us going guard #21 regardless of best available with the amount of young talent there already for us.

WR, I can see that happening maybe, LB, CB, S, OT - I doubt even RB makes it here, because they are all proetty much 2-4 round talents.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Really? Zero percent chance, huh? There's a zero percent chance we won't draft the best player available if he's there because we already have another player at his position? Is that right? Well that didn't stop the Bengals from drafting Chris Perry with the 26th pick in '04 even though we had Rudy Johnson who was coming off a 1400 yd season that year. It didn't stop them from drafting Andrew Whitworth as a guard with the 55th pick in '06 even though they had Eric Steinbach. It didn't stop them them from drafting Leon Hall in '07 with the 18th pick even though they spent their 1st Round pick the year before on Johnathan Joseph. It didn't stop them from drafting Jerome Simpson with the 46th pick in '08 even though they had Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Marvin Lewis has a history of drafting the best player available regardless of position. But instead of wasting your time trying to talk trash, which you're not very good at, why don't you spend it creating your own mock.

We aren't taking a OG at 21 even if Warmack fell. Not happening. 0% chance.

21. - Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
37. - Sam Montgomery DE LSU
53. - Eric Reid S LSU
84. - Jonathan Franklin RB UCLA
116. - Chris Harper WR KSU
156. - Sanders Commings CB South Carolina
191. - Omoregie Uzzi OG GT
200. - joseph Fauira TE UCLA

 

[cincygrad]

Really? Zero percent chance, huh? There's a zero percent chance we won't draft the best player available if he's there because we already have another player at his position? Is that right? Well that didn't stop the Bengals from drafting Chris Perry with the 26th pick in '04 even though we had Rudy Johnson who was coming off a 1400 yd season that year. It didn't stop them from drafting Andrew Whitworth as a guard with the 55th pick in '06 even though they had Eric Steinbach. It didn't stop them them from drafting Leon Hall in '07 with the 18th pick even though they spent their 1st Round pick the year before on Johnathan Joseph. It didn't stop them from drafting Jerome Simpson with the 46th pick in '08 even though they had Ocho Cinco and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Marvin Lewis has a history of drafting the best player available regardless of position. But instead of wasting your time trying to talk trash, which you're not very good at, why don't you spend it creating your own mock.

Rudi Johnson's deal was being renegotiated. There was no certainty that he was going to be back.

When we drafted Whitworth we were faced with the potential of losing all of our offensive line within the year. Remember when Levi, Steinbach, Willie Anderson and Richie Braham all came up at the same time? We ended up re-signing everyone but Steinbach.

Simpson was drafted when we were faced with contract disputes (hold out threats with Chad), the ending of TJs deal, and the uncertain future of Chris Henry

Leon Hall was a clear need. The game was changing to favor passing games and we were continuously getting raped by the Peyton Mannings of the world.

I'd say we mostly select positions we're afraid we'll lose in FA or where we have gaping holes.

 

[vancelot23]

If Arthur Brown falls to the end of the 2nd round I'll eat my monitor. I disagree on Cooper too, but not because I think it's an awful pick, but because Mike Brown won't draft a guard in round one two years in a row. I like Bell, though I don't like him to the Bengals bc we need a change of pace guy. I also have us taking Scott in my most recent mock.

 

[Tubbs1518]

If Arthur Brown falls to the end of the 2nd round I'll eat my monitor. I disagree on Cooper too, but not because I think it's an awful pick, but because Mike Brown won't draft a guard in round one two years in a row. I like Bell, though I don't like him to the Bengals bc we need a change of pace guy. I also have us taking Scott in my most recent mock.

Even if we took Ogletree in the first, if Brown falls to the end of the 2nd I'd take him too.

 

[augustisback003]

We aren't taking a OG at 21 even if Warmack fell. Not happening. 0% chance.

21. - Alec Ogletree LB Georgia
37. - Sam Montgomery DE LSU
53. - Eric Reid S LSU
84. - Jonathan Franklin RB UCLA
116. - Chris Harper WR KSU
156. - Sanders Commings CB South Carolina
191. - Omoregie Uzzi OG GT
200. - joseph Fauira TE UCLA

So the Bengals re-sign Wallace Gilberry, Robert Geathers and tag Michael Johnson to go along with Carlos Dunlap and you have them taking another DE in Montgomery with the 37th pick? So you don't get irony or hypocrisy do you? This is why I think you're a joke. Your arguments lack consistency. If there is, "[absolutely a 0% chance we take an OG at 21. Zero, Nada, None.]" ... because, "[Boling and Zeitler are starting OGs next year.]" Then wouldn't that argument also apply to the Defensive End position? And here's where you go off on some unrelated rant..........NOW!

 

[Tubbs1518]

Lets see, either Dunlap or Johnson is gone next year. We aren't signing both to big contracts, plus we use a rotation on the D-Line not the O-Line. You have zero foresight. Learn to look ahead. I honestly don't believe you follow the Bengals at all.

 

[cincygrad]

So the Bengals re-sign Wallace Gilberry, Robert Geathers and tag Michael Johnson to go along with Carlos Dunlap and you have them taking another DE in Montgomery with the 37th pick? So you don't get irony or hypocrisy do you? This is why I think you're a joke. Your arguments lack consistency. If there is, "[absolutely a 0% chance we take an OG at 21. Zero, Nada, None.]" ... because, "[Boling and Zeitler are starting OGs next year.]" Then wouldn't that argument also apply to the Defensive End position? And here's where you go off on some unrelated rant..........NOW!

To be fair, after next season we could lose both Johnson and Dunlap -- Especially if we have to burn the tag on Atkins.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, we often draft positions where we might lose someone within the next season. I think DE is a definite possibility in the draft.

It's also unlikely that we draft a guard in the first round given our history.... Zeitler is the first interior lineman drafted by us in the first round since Remington. In contrast, we have taken five first round 5 DEs since that pick.

 

[Tubbs1518]

To be fair, after next season we could lose both Johnson and Dunlap -- Especially if we have to burn the tag on Atkins.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, we often draft positions where we might lose someone within the next season. I think DE is a definite possibility in the draft.

It's also unlikely that we draft a guard in the first round given our history.... Zeitler is the first interior lineman drafted by us in the first round since Remington. In contrast, we have taken five first round 5 DEs since that pick.

Exactly, there is essentially no chance we sign both Johnson and Dunlap. As much as I like Gillberry, I'm not sure he is a full time DE. Even if he was made the starter, having a guy like Montgomery coming in the rotation and spelling the other guys is a must have. This gives them options next year when they can't afford to give out 2 huge contracts to DE's when we have to sign Atkins, Green and probably Dalton. Also there was a time where Montgomery was a top 15 pick, much like Dunlap was supposed to be.

 

[augustisback003]

To be fair, after next season we could lose both Johnson and Dunlap -- Especially if we have to burn the tag on Atkins.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, we often draft positions where we might lose someone within the next season. I think DE is a definite possibility in the draft.

It's also unlikely that we draft a guard in the first round given our history.... Zeitler is the first interior lineman drafted by us in the first round since Remington. In contrast, we have taken five first round 5 DEs since that pick.

You say its, "unlikely that we draft a guard in the first round given our history" but wasn't that the same argument made when Pimp and I were the only ones saying the Bengals were going to draft Jermaine Gresham in '10? Did't people say drafting a WR with the 4th overall pick was too high, especially when we didn't have a QB, when I said the Bengals were going to draft A.J. Green? Honestly, I really think the Bengals want D.J. Fluker but I doubt he'll makes it to the 21st pick. After looking at other team's needs and seeing which players could possibly be available I was surprised to notice that Jonathan Cooper could still be there. And if the 10th overall ranked player is available when the Bengals make their pick I would find it incredibly hard to believe that they would pass on him, regardless of position, especially when you consider Alec Ogletree, Kenny Vaccaro, D.J. Fluker and Desmond Trufant will all probably be off the board. So who's next? Who's there? At twenty one, you'll probably still see the DT's (Sylvester Williams, Johnathan Jenkins, Kawann Short) and WR's (Keenan Allen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Justin Hunter) on the board. Will the Bengals select a DT after spending a 2nd and 3rd Round pick on the position last season? Probably not. Could they go wide-receiver? Absolutely! But will they pick they a WR if a potential All-Pro is still available? I don't see it.

 

[JBUCK66]

good thread....nice job

 

[Tubbs1518]

You say its, "unlikely that we draft a guard in the first round given our history" but wasn't that the same argument made when Pimp and I were the only ones saying the Bengals were going to draft Jermaine Gresham in '10? Did't people say drafting a WR with the 4th overall pick was too high, especially when we didn't have a QB, when I said the Bengals were going to draft A.J. Green? Honestly, I really think the Bengals want D.J. Fluker but I doubt he'll makes it to the 21st pick. After looking at other team's needs and seeing which players could possibly be available I was surprised to notice that Jonathan Cooper could still be there. And if the 10th overall ranked player is available when the Bengals make their pick I would find it incredibly hard to believe that they would pass on him, regardless of position, especially when you consider Alec Ogletree, Kenny Vaccaro, D.J. Fluker and Desmond Trufant will all probably be off the board. So who's next? Who's there? At twenty one, you'll probably still see the DT's (Sylvester Williams, Johnathan Jenkins, Kawann Short) and WR's (Keenan Allen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Justin Hunter) on the board. Will the Bengals select a DT after spending a 2nd and 3rd Round pick on the position last season? Probably not. Could they go wide-receiver? Absolutely! But will they pick they a WR if a potential All-Pro is still available? I don't see it.

They aren't picking a Guard. They may take Arthur Brown, they might take a DE there knowing the DE situation next year, they may take a CB, they may even reach for an OT like Watson if we don't sign Smith. But an offensive guard will not be the pick. Not a chance.

 

[kramer1]

There's still not nearly enough name calling going on.

 

[The Duke]

1) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
2a) DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
2b) Eric Reid, S, LSU
3) Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
4) Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
5) Chris Faulk, OT, LSU
6a) Jonathan Stewart, MLB, Texas A&M
6b) Stansly Maponga, DE, TCU
7a) Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
7b) Justice Cunningham, TE, South Carolina

QB: Andy Dalton, Matt Scott
RB: Benjarvus Green-Ellis, Jonathan Franklin, Cedric Perelman, Dan Herron
FB: Chris Pressley
WR: AJ Green, Mohammed Sanu, Marvin Jones
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Andrew Hawkins, Ryan Whalen
TE: Jermaine Gresham, Orson Charles, Justice Cunningham
LT: Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins
LG: Travelle Wharton, Clint Boling
C: Kyle Cook, Trevor Robinson
RG: Kevin Zeitler
RT: Andre Smith, Chris Faulk

LDE: Carlos Dunlap, Robert Geathers
NDT: Domata Peko, Brandon Thompson
UDT: Geno Atkins, Devon Still
RDE: Michael Johnson, Wallace Gilberry
WLB: Alec Ogletree, Emmanuel Lamur
MLB: Vontaze Burfict, Jonathan Stewart
SLB: Rey Maualuga, Dontay Moch, Aaron Maybin
CB: Leon Hall, Shaun Prater
FS: Reggie Nelson, George Iloka
SS: Eric Reid, Taylor Mays, Jeromy Miles
CB: Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Chris Lewis-Harris

LS: Clark Harris
P: Kevin Huber
K: Mike Nugent

 

[augustisback003]

1) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
2a) DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
2b) Eric Reid, S, LSU
3) Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
4) Matt Scott, QB, Arizona
5) Chris Faulk, OT, LSU
6a) Jonathan Stewart, MLB, Texas A&M
6b) Stansly Maponga, DE, TCU
7a) Micah Hyde, CB, Iowa
7b) Justice Cunningham, TE, South Carolina

QB: Andy Dalton, Matt Scott
RB: Benjarvus Green-Ellis, Jonathan Franklin, Cedric Perelman, Dan Herron
FB: Chris Pressley
WR: AJ Green, Mohammed Sanu, Marvin Jones
WR: DeAndre Hopkins, Andrew Hawkins, Ryan Whalen
TE: Jermaine Gresham, Orson Charles, Justice Cunningham
LT: Andrew Whitworth, Anthony Collins
LG: Travelle Wharton, Clint Boling
C: Kyle Cook, Trevor Robinson
RG: Kevin Zeitler
RT: Andre Smith, Chris Faulk

LDE: Carlos Dunlap, Robert Geathers
NDT: Domata Peko, Brandon Thompson
UDT: Geno Atkins, Devon Still
RDE: Michael Johnson, Wallace Gilberry
WLB: Alec Ogletree, Emmanuel Lamur
MLB: Vontaze Burfict, Jonathan Stewart
SLB: Rey Maualuga, Dontay Moch, Aaron Maybin
CB: Leon Hall, Shaun Prater
FS: Reggie Nelson, George Iloka
SS: Eric Reid, Taylor Mays, Jeromy Miles
CB: Dre Kirkpatrick, Adam Jones, Chris Lewis-Harris

LS: Clark Harris
P: Kevin Huber
K: Mike Nugent

Very nice and thorough! I like both your mock and lineup. I too believe Alec Ogletree will make the switch to OLB in the Pro's and would love to see him in the Stripes next season but I just don't think he'll get past the Giants or Chicago. I also liked that your mock has a WR going in the 2nd round as mine had Justin Hunter and I too believe the Bengals are high on QB Matt Scott. Very impressive!

 

[augustisback003]

Here's my latest mock with the expectation that the Bengals will re-sign both Andre Smith and Thomas Howard. Here's my rationale for this mock. I've went back and looked at the last 5 drafts and there's alway a top 10 ranked player that slides down the board; usually a lineman or wr ('08 Rashard Mendenhall ranked 7th|picked 23rd, '09 Jeremy Maclin ranked 10th|picked 19th, '10 Dez Bryant ranked 11th|picked 24th, '11 Cameron Jordan ranked 9th|picked 24th, '12 Chandler Jones ranked 11th|picked 21st). With that in mind that's why I see Jonathan Cooper as the one falling this year. He's the 2nd ranked OG after Chance Warmack and with Tennessee signing Andy Levitre that should push the guards down the board. With the Bengals expected to re-sign Smith and Howard that would allow them to select the best player available. The Bengals hold the 21st pick, the same as last year, picks are based on last year's selection.

Round 1 (21st overall)- Jonathan Cooper OG 6'2⅛" 311 North Carolina
Round 2 (37th overall)- Justin Hunter* WR 6'4" 196 Tennessee
Round 2 (53rd overall)- Arthur Brown OLB 6'0⅜" 241 Kansas State
Round 3 (84th overall)- Bacarri Rambo S 6'0½" 211 Georgia
Round 4 (116th overall)- Le'veon Bell RB 6'1⅜" 230 Michigan State
Round 5 (156th overall)- Matt Scott QB 6'2⅛" 213 Arizona
Round 6 (191st overall)- Dustin Hopkins PK 6'2" 193 Florida State
Round 6 (200th overall)- David Bass DE 6'3⅞" 262 Missouri Western

Cincinnati surrendered 46 sacks and finished 18th in rushing yards last season, so addressing the offensive line makes sense. LOT Andrew Whitworth is 31 years old and ROT Andre Smith is an unrestricted free agent who could re-sign, but if Smith doesn't return then Alabama's D.J. Fluker and Florida State's Menelik Watson are candidates at pick No. 21.

Even if Smith returns, look for the Bengals to add depth on Day 3, which could make Ohio State's Reid Fragel an option in the middle rounds. Fragel moved from tight end to tackle in 2012 and has the potential to develop into a starter if he can continue to hone his craft. If the Bengals don't target a tackle early and Alabama OG Chance Warmack or North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper fall far enough, either could be an option. After all, Travelle Wharton is 31 years old and he missed the 2012 season with a torn ACL.

2013 NFL draft - Impact of offseason moves on AFC North plans - ESPN

 

[bengaldoug]

Just my opinion, but Andy Dalton seemed more responsible for the high sack number than the OL. He often held the ball way too long and was indecisive against the better defenses he played against. It always makes sense to stock up on olinemen, but unless they don't re-sign Andre their depth is already pretty good with Wharton coming back able to play either guard or tackle, giving them three guards for the two starting positions and a guy who can plug in at tackle if need be. Collins is also available at tackle, and they have decent depth at center, though I'm not a big fan of Cook. I would rather see them address an offensive skill position (WR, RB) or a LB early.