Most important game in KC's career...

[SoCalWizFan]

overhyped foolishness

Probably correct. With that in mind & looking at the situation objectively you would have to look at Cousins as perhaps a decent but not great QB who still has some major concerns. The numerous turnovers especially on the road are cause for concern. No doubt others on the team are equally to blame but a lot of this has to fall to Cousins.

If this continues then sure Cousins will probably still be the starting QB - at least for next season. However - I believe that the $17-18 million deal will not longer be in play and he will - and should - receive considerably less.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The pick was the perfect example of the limits a guy like Cousins has. Mark Rypien had the same issue. Once the initial play breaks down and he needs to improvise he never seems to be able to do that. There was a play to be made there and over half the QBs in the league make that throw to a wide open receiver, it wasn't a tough throw. But Kirk on the move just doesn't work which is why in my opinion he is good enough to retain but never good enough to win big with..

 

[j_y19]

The pick was the perfect example of the limits a guy like Cousins has. Mark Rypien had the same issue. Once the initial play breaks down and he needs to improvise he never seems to be able to do that. There was a play to be made there and over half the QBs in the league make that throw to a wide open receiver, it wasn't a tough throw. But Kirk on the move just doesn't work which is why in my opinion he is good enough to retain but never good enough to win big with..

So if I told you at the beginning of the season that KC would end up in the middle of the pack in terms of productivity for all starting QBs, would you have deemed that a good year for him? Is he a guy that we can build a team around while he either continues to grow or we groom his replacement?
Honestly, I had concerns about KC but he has surpassed, so far, what I thought he would do. Every QB throws bad passes. And the INT yesterday was a bad pass. But he came back and shook it off. Last year he didn't do that. That is growth. I'm still not sure we've seen the finished product yet. I don't ever envision him as a top tier QB. But they said the same things about Dalton and others their first few years. Can he get to Dalton level with more experience? Maybe.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So if I told you at the beginning of the season that KC would end up in the middle of the pack in terms of productivity for all starting QBs, would you have deemed that a good year for him? Is he a guy that we can build a team around while he either continues to grow or we groom his replacement?
Honestly, I had concerns about KC but he has surpassed, so far, what I thought he would do. Every QB throws bad passes. And the INT yesterday was a bad pass. But he came back and shook it off. Last year he didn't do that. That is growth. I'm still not sure we've seen the finished product yet. I don't ever envision him as a top tier QB. But they said the same things about Dalton and others their first few years. Can he get to Dalton level with more experience? Maybe.

Absolutely I would consider it a good year. As to your second point my opinion really hasn't changed that much, yes he is a guy you keep around but only as a place holder. In my opinion I don't ever see us winning big with Kirk so there still is the inconvenient little issue of actually finding a good QB.

But after the Giants game I was worried he wouldn't even be good enough to retain. On that my opinion has changed. But long term answer? Never ever thought that.

 

[Sharkinva]

Absolutely I would consider it a good year. As to your second point my opinion really hasn't changed that much, yes he is a guy you keep around but only as a place holder. In my opinion I don't ever see us winning big with Kirk so there still is the inconvenient little issue of actually finding a good QB.

But after the Giants game I was worried he wouldn't even be good enough to retain. On that my opinion has changed. But long term answer? Never ever thought that.

SO if Kirk has no chance of being a guy we can win with, at 4-6, why not just throw in McCoy, tank out and hope Mettenberg falls to us in the top 5??

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Because this is professional sports and teams don't tank when they are a game out of first place.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

SO if Kirk has no chance of being a guy we can win with, at 4-6, why not just throw in McCoy, tank out and hope Mettenberg falls to us in the top 5??

No thanks. All of the QBs in that draft are a crap shoot & the Redskins have terrible luck in the 1st rd (understand that this is a new regime but even SM didn't fare well in this area w/ the 49ers). Just go with Cousins for now, but the proposed $17M + / yr deal is definitely not in play now & he can only approach it with stellar play for the rest of the season to include road games (and don't care if big mistakes are mainly the fault of others).

A lot of Redskins players - not just Cousins - have a lot to prove in the next six games.

 

[Mitziman]

IMO, a difficult game because of the horrific play on both sides of the ball to give a true evaluation of KC. But his three turnovers are hard to swallow. That INT was terrible.

I'm of the opinion if you think he's a top 15 QB in this league you have to sign him. A top 15 QB in this league is the most valuable commodity you can have.

HTTR, on to next week!

 

[ehb5]

IMO, a difficult game because of the horrific play on both sides of the ball to give a true evaluation of KC. But his three turnovers are hard to swallow. That INT was terrible.

I'm of the opinion if you think he's a top 15 QB in this league you have to sign him. A top 15 QB in this league is the most valuable commodity you can have.

HTTR, on to next week!

Problem is right now there's no way he's a top 15 QB in this league.

 

[Sharkinva]

Problem is right now there's no way he's a top 15 QB in this league.

Not trying to start a big argument here.

BUt Kirk is Currently 13th in yards passing
3rd in completion percentage for QBS with atleast 350 passing attempts on the season.
Just shy of a 90 QB rating ( mind you the leading MVP candidate has a 90.1 right now)


So if you said he isnt a top 10 I would agree. SAying he isnt arguably in the top 15 is a stretch. Kirk is doing what the system asks of him. Yes he threw a bad INT yesterday. BUt once again on the road he got almost no help from the rest of the team. And try as you might, you cant really pin the loss on him

 

[Sportster 72]

Problem is right now there's no way he's a top 15 QB in this league.

He is close if not there. He is rated 18th in QB rating Just depends on what stat you want to use. We all know you don't like him but he isn't the 32nd rated QB either. Six more games to go. Lets see how it plays out.

 

[ehb5]

Not trying to start a big argument here.

BUt Kirk is Currently 13th in yards passing
3rd in completion percentage for QBS with atleast 350 passing attempts on the season.
Just shy of a 90 QB rating ( mind you the leading MVP candidate has a 90.1 right now)


So if you said he isnt a top 10 I would agree. SAying he isnt arguably in the top 15 is a stretch. Kirk is doing what the system asks of him. Yes he threw a bad INT yesterday. BUt once again on the road he got almost no help from the rest of the team. And try as you might, you cant really pin the loss on him

Not gonna tell you hes playing horribly. But of the QBs in the league

Rodgers, Cutler, Russell, Palmer, Romo, Eli, Brees, Ryan, Cam, Jameis, Ben, Dalton, Flacco, Rivers, Carr, Luck, Mariota, Brady are all better. Thats 18

There are others you can argue but theyre at least much closer.

I was gonna make a post about this and explaining my thoughts on Kirks extension but I might do it tomorrow.

Also the leading MVP candidate you're talking about is throwing to Ted Ginn and Philly Brown while being a 1 man short yardage and goal line offense. Lets not act like its even close between them.

 

[ehb5]

He is close if not there. He is rated 18th in QB rating Just depends on what stat you want to use. We all know you don't like him but he isn't the 32nd rated QB either. Six more games to go. Lets see how it plays out.

As I said to Shark there are at least 18 better QBs. Probably more. Hes not 32nd but hes in the 19-28 range.

 

[Mitziman]

My opinion of KC is not based on just stats. Stats as we all know, can be very misleading. Do you consider him to be a top 15 QB in the NFL? I don't, but that's just my view based on what I have seen so far.

He's not a rookie. It's his 4th year in the NFL. He's 27 years old. His 2nd year in Jay Grudens system. It's his time to step up and be "the man"...simple as that.

 

[Sharkinva]

As I said to Shark there are at least 18 better QBs. Probably more. Hes not 32nd but hes in the 19-28 range.

So you compare him to 18 guys, half of which were 1st round picks, most of which have better than 50 plus starts. Kirk should be penalized and given a short leash because the team fucked up and put all their eggs in one basket over the last three years?? I forget who said it this week, but 3 years on the bench as the #2 does not make up for game experience. Kirk has played the equivalent of just over a season. Give Kirk that many starts and judge him among his peers.

Or we can simply trade up for the next great savior.

 

[j_y19]

Not gonna tell you hes playing horribly. But of the QBs in the league

Rodgers, Cutler, Russell, Palmer, Romo, Eli, Brees, Ryan, Cam, Jameis, Ben, Dalton, Flacco, Rivers, Carr, Luck, Mariota, Brady are all better. Thats 18

There are others you can argue but theyre at least much closer.

I was gonna make a post about this and explaining my thoughts on Kirks extension but I might do it tomorrow.

Also the leading MVP candidate you're talking about is throwing to Ted Ginn and Philly Brown while being a 1 man short yardage and goal line offense. Lets not act like its even close between them.

I understand this is your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it, but I disagree. There are QBs on this list that he has played better than this year. He is not top 10, but he is in that 13-18 range. More importantly, he is still improving. Yes, he had a bad INT this week. So did over half of the QBs on your list (probably more). Some had multiple INTs.

 

[ehb5]

So you compare him to 18 guys, half of which were 1st round picks, most of which have better than 50 plus starts. Kirk should be penalized and given a short leash because the team fucked up and put all their eggs in one basket over the last three years?? I forget who said it this week, but 3 years on the bench as the #2 does not make up for game experience. Kirk has played the equivalent of just over a season. Give Kirk that many starts and judge him among his peers.

Or we can simply trade up for the next great savior.

Yes because he isnt better than them right now. Some of them will improve too. Development also is not a guarantee. Kirk might be what hes gonna be. Im not saying he should have short leash. But hes in the lower tier of QBs.

 

[ehb5]

I understand this is your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it, but I disagree. There are QBs on this list that he has played better than this year. He is not top 10, but he is in that 13-18 range. More importantly, he is still improving. Yes, he had a bad INT this week. So did over half of the QBs on your list (probably more). Some had multiple INTs.

Maybe at times. But overall hes worse than all of them. And there are other names I could add to that list but I figured Id just throw out the ones that wouldnt cause everybody to freak out lol.

 

[j_y19]

Maybe at times. But overall hes worse than all of them. And there are other names I could add to that list but I figured Id just throw out the ones that wouldnt cause everybody to freak out lol.

How are you measuring this? Clearly you aren't using stats.

 

[ehb5]

How are you measuring this? Clearly you aren't using stats.

Which ones do you think Kirk is better than?