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[Robotech]

I feel like holds should be increased to 25 points. A hold is literally the most important stat in baseball.

Should be more like 40 to make it fair, especially now that you and I have most of the Dodger setup men.

 

[broncosmitty]

Should be more like 40 to make it fair, especially now that you and I have most of the Dodger setup men.

Till I get Kopech back…

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

man-did I really suck that bad in the draft?

 

[TKOSpikes]

Vladdy hits paydirt. Half a billion... maybe he can start hitting the ball now.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Until now i was regretting turning down that first rounder for Mize. Hopefully he is finally in form.

 

[Robotech]

Seems like holds will be in plenty of supply there.

It's not working out for me today because Anthony Banda is struggling. Damn you, Banda! I'm no longer considering changing my team name to Banda Brothers.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I feel like holds should be increased to 25 points. A hold is literally the most important stat in baseball.

do remember that this league was originally 15 owners... Holds were needed so we could actually use the BEST relievers... not just closers...

I do wonder if when we lost the 2 owners, if the relievers in general became TOO valuable in this league... but I don't think Holds is an issue...

 

[Chef99]

do remember that this league was originally 15 owners... Holds were needed so we could actually use the BEST relievers... not just closers...

I do wonder if when we lost the 2 owners, if the relievers in general became TOO valuable in this league... but I don't think Holds is an issue...

I don't think so either, picked up on the Holds thing years ago. It's why Bryan Abreu has been firmly locked into my lineup.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

do remember that this league was originally 15 owners... Holds were needed so we could actually use the BEST relievers... not just closers...

I do wonder if when we lost the 2 owners, if the relievers in general became TOO valuable in this league... but I don't think Holds is an issue...

Theyre way too valuable. 19 of the top 40 scorers for pitching are relievers. That is not at all indicative of their impact.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I don't think so either, picked up on the Holds thing years ago. It's why Bryan Abreu has been firmly locked into my lineup.

Bryan Abreaus career WAR is 5 in 251 appearances. Skubal beat that by 1.2 in one season.

 

[Chef99]

Bryan Abreaus career WAR is 5 in 251 appearances. Skubal beat that by 1.2 in one season.

So...you wanna trade for him??

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Theyre way too valuable. 19 of the top 40 scorers for pitching are relievers. That is not at all indicative of their impact.

I have been saying from the beginning of this league that the pitching stats have been off...

I also ask to revisit all rules and check if we should change any... there has never been a suggestion to change anything other than the veto rule...

I am absolutely up to editing pitching scoring... but I don't think holds is the issue needed..

also, the eligibility on SP and RP was created for this reason as well, since nobody wanted innings max or minimums...

 

[molsaniceman]

I don't think so either, picked up on the Holds thing years ago. It's why Bryan Abreu has been firmly locked into my lineup.

6 pts for hold 5 for win
most leagues have 2 to 3 for holds
plus you get pts for inherited runners also
unless your an ace sp dont get much
fitts 6 ip 3r 4k got me 0 pts
it is what it is cant change to next year

 

[MilkSpiller22]

6 pts for hold 5 for win
most leagues have 2 to 3 for holds
plus you get pts for inherited runners also
unless your an ace sp dont get much
fitts 6 ip 3r 4k got me 0 pts
it is what it is cant change to next year

it might be 5 for win... but we also do 5 points for QS... so that is 10 points for a W and a quality start, 7 for a save and 6 for a Hold...


there is definitely a better balance we can find... but again, i am not quite sure it is on the holds category...


maybe with the decline of QS, we should change the 50/50 on QS and Wins...

honestly, I understand relief pitchers score too much in this league, and that is definitely worth further talk, but that doesnt make a RP a better start than a SP... problem with RP is always going to be that they are not consistent week to week...

at least a SP, you know they will start...


i will play around with scoring possibilities.. i do see a few potential quick fixes that wont change much... main potential change is to separate a starters win from a relief win... and relief wins would be worth less than a starters win...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

6 pts for hold 5 for win
most leagues have 2 to 3 for holds
plus you get pts for inherited runners also
unless your an ace sp dont get much
fitts 6 ip 3r 4k got me 0 pts
it is what it is cant change to next year

also, i am not opposed to making changes during the season IFF they are necessary changes...

if there is a clear problem, no reason we cant fix them...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

6 pts for hold 5 for win
most leagues have 2 to 3 for holds
plus you get pts for inherited runners also
unless your an ace sp dont get much
fitts 6 ip 3r 4k got me 0 pts
it is what it is cant change to next year

Yea. Mize allowed 7 runners in 6 innings had a QS and a win and scored 18 pts. A reliever comes in with a hold 1 bb 1 h in 1inning scored almost half that lol.

 

[Robotech]

Because of IR, I have a surplus of average pitchers. LOL. I'd sell Tobias Myers for a 3rd round pick. He should be back in a couple weeks. Still pretty young and he produced 222 fantasy points last year. This is my first time playing points instead of categories, but 222 points seems like good, honest production. Dang, maybe I should keep him.

 

[Robotech]

it might be 5 for win... but we also do 5 points for QS... so that is 10 points for a W and a quality start, 7 for a save and 6 for a Hold...


there is definitely a better balance we can find... but again, i am not quite sure it is on the holds category...


maybe with the decline of QS, we should change the 50/50 on QS and Wins...

honestly, I understand relief pitchers score too much in this league, and that is definitely worth further talk, but that doesnt make a RP a better start than a SP... problem with RP is always going to be that they are not consistent week to week...

at least a SP, you know they will start...


i will play around with scoring possibilities.. i do see a few potential quick fixes that wont change much... main potential change is to separate a starters win from a relief win... and relief wins would be worth less than a starters win...

This is my first time playing points, and I made sure to pick up more relievers when I discovered that holds count. This is also my first time playing with holds. Maybe reduce both saves and holds by a point or maybe two points, but I like that holds count for something because like you said in another post, closers shouldn't be the only valuable relievers.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This is my first time playing points, and I made sure to pick up more relievers when I discovered that holds count. This is also my first time playing with holds. Maybe reduce both saves and holds by a point or maybe two points, but I like that holds count for something because like you said in another post, closers shouldn't be the only valuable relievers.

i will admit... first year we rushed to start this league, so some scoring is off... we just never fixed it...

we also had 15 owners(we lost 2), so having set up men and other relievers scoring more points made more sense...

but i do think we need to fix some scoring... in both offense and pitching...

i do like the idea of "not only closers"... but we could probably do a better job at it...

ill start another thread to talk about this more... just in case we find a solution to implement immediately( we will probably wait until the off-season)

 

[TKOSpikes]

I have been saying from the beginning of this league that the pitching stats have been off...

I also ask to revisit all rules and check if we should change any... there has never been a suggestion to change anything other than the veto rule...

I am absolutely up to editing pitching scoring... but I don't think holds is the issue needed..

also, the eligibility on SP and RP was created for this reason as well, since nobody wanted innings max or minimums...

Changing the veto rule is unanimous, yet unchanged.