Marvin Jones

[Tubbs1518]

Is apparently looking better than Sanu at training camp. Said he is much better at getting open and is catching absolutely everything thrown his way. Also was a better blocker than Sanu last year. I think the offense would be much better off if Jones can take the #2 WR spot on the outside and we can slide Sanu into the slot. Sanus seems much more equipped to be effective in the slot.

 

[vancelot23]

I don't think you'd get much disagreement there. Sanu was considered an NFL slot receiver coming out of the draft.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Sanu is a slot receiver, and some people do not practice as well as they play, and Sanu is that type of player. Problem is, are you going to take Sanu out of the offense that much because I have a feeling we are going to use a lot of TE this year along with putting Orson at FB in sitations, two back sets, two TE sets, etc. Plus, Sanu is much more versatile than Jones, because he can line up at FL, SE, RB, QB, etc.

Give Dalton some time to find his targets and I think we will be okay. I think the success of this team is going to hinge more on our OL than Dalton. Can they open holes for BJGE and Bernard? Can they keep the pressure of Dalton long enough for him to find the open receiver?

 

[cincygrad]

I wouldn't read much into it..... They said all last year that Sanu was a pretty terrible practice player and something clicks when it comes to the game.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I wouldn't read much into it..... They said all last year that Sanu was a pretty terrible practice player and something clicks when it comes to the game.

He needs that jolt of adrenaline to catapult his play.

 

[Tubbs1518]

The OL is not the problem......Dalton is.

 

[bengaldoug]

I wouldn't read much into it..... They said all last year that Sanu was a pretty terrible practice player and something clicks when it comes to the game.

This^......what took Sanu so long to get on the field was the fact that he just didn't look good in practice. Apparently Jones is improving, though, and that can only be a good thing.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The OL is not the problem......Dalton is.

I agree Dalton is "part" of the problem, but so is that offensive line. They need to improve.

Whitworth was pretty bad last year with his injury, Boling and Zeitler had growing pains last year (Boling more than Zeitler) and our center position was a disaster. Hard to be a great QB with everything falling apart in front of you and a pedestrian run game supporting you because of the OL.

Hopefully Boling and Zeitler have grown a lot in the offseason and really ready to make their mark in the NFL this year. Hopefully Whitworth is fully healthy. Hopefully Andre can repeat 2012.

The center position is still a major area of concern. That is the guy that manages the OL, he hikes the ball to the QB, and he is the guy having to see Ngata and Hampton right in his face. If that center can't gel this year, Dalton will still feel rushed even if everyone else on the line does their job. Look what Atkins does to opposing QB's. Our center is so bad, it makes every DT in the league that plays us look like Geno Atkins for a game.

 

[Tubbs1518]

2nd best pass blocking line according to PFF. Even if they are a little overrated there, a bad line doesn't get that high. Dalton often made them look worse than they were.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

2nd best pass blocking line according to PFF. Even if they are a little overrated there, a bad line doesn't get that high. Dalton often made them look worse than they were.

Dalton is what got them to that #2 ranking. Dalton was one of the fastest to get rid of the ball on average last year. So the fact he held the ball less than most QB's in the league, that can't hurt an offensive lines rankings. His throws were not always great, and at times he did hold the ball a bit too long, on average, he got rid of the ball very fast. Hard to have a poor pass blocking line when your QB is getting rid of the ball quickly, on average.

 

[flamingrey]

No, Dalton is not what got them that #2 ranking. The ranking is based on how the OL does a set time after the ball is snapped (I don't remember what that time is). This is the first I've heard Dalton being one of the fastest to get rid of the ball. I'm pretty sure you're making it up. In fact, I recall PFF mentioning how Dalton was the reason for many sacks from not getting rid of the ball and making the o-line look worse.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Sanu is a very good athlete who makes plays, he'll find his way onto the field.

don't worry.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

No, Dalton is not what got them that #2 ranking. The ranking is based on how the OL does a set time after the ball is snapped (I don't remember what that time is). This is the first I've heard Dalton being one of the fastest to get rid of the ball. I'm pretty sure you're making it up. In fact, I recall PFF mentioning how Dalton was the reason for many sacks from not getting rid of the ball and making the o-line look worse.

Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick were the fastest QBs to get rid of the ball in 2012. Both averaged 2.4 seconds per attempt. - Pro Football Focus

Isn't this the same site you are quoting? Funny how I found the exact opposite. Perhaps YOU are the one making shit up.

Pro Football Focus @PFF
Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick were the fastest QBs to get rid of the ball in 2012. Both averaged 2.4 seconds per attempt.
11:18 AM - 20 Feb 2013
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[cincygrad]

Ahh Shit...... Someone just got served.

 

[DanBengalfan]

reading comprehension... bitches!

 

[bengaldoug]

Touche, crash......

 

[flamingrey]

Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick were the fastest QBs to get rid of the ball in 2012. Both averaged 2.4 seconds per attempt. - Pro Football Focus

Isn't this the same site you are quoting? Funny how I found the exact opposite. Perhaps YOU are the one making shit up.

Pro Football Focus @PFF
Andy Dalton and Ryan Fitzpatrick were the fastest QBs to get rid of the ball in 2012. Both averaged 2.4 seconds per attempt.
11:18 AM - 20 Feb 2013
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Thanks for posting that. It's been a while and actually helped recollect my memory. You are correct that Dalton was one of the quickest getting the ball out, but incorrect in the assertion that the o-line can thank Dalton for it. It's a product of the system. By design - typical for a WCO type of system in any case - Gruden has the ball coming out of Dalton's hands quickly.

It's when the system or the defense doesn't allow him a quick outlet is when he gets flustered and holds the ball too long and makes the o-line look bad. As I mentioned in my previous post, I do believe this was evidenced by PFF in showing how long the o-line is able to maintain the pocket when obviously the system/defense isn't allowing Dalton to get rid of the ball. For it to count in this category, I believe the ball has to be in the QB's hand for so much time (again, all off recollection...but PFF does a great job grading individuals and individual groups, and they're excellent at not allowing things like fastest release skew their analyses). THAT is what the #2 ranking is based off of.

So again, Dalton releasing the ball the fastest in the league - which I was wrong about - does not have an effect on that #2 ranking.

 

[flamingrey]

Ahh Shit...... Someone just got served.

Simpleton.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Thanks for posting that. It's been a while and actually helped recollect my memory. You are correct that Dalton was one of the quickest getting the ball out, but incorrect in the assertion that the o-line can thank Dalton for it. It's a product of the system. By design - typical for a WCO type of system in any case - Gruden has the ball coming out of Dalton's hands quickly.

It's when the system or the defense doesn't allow him a quick outlet is when he gets flustered and holds the ball too long and makes the o-line look bad. As I mentioned in my previous post, I do believe this was evidenced by PFF in showing how long the o-line is able to maintain the pocket when obviously the system/defense isn't allowing Dalton to get rid of the ball. For it to count in this category, I believe the ball has to be in the QB's hand for so much time (again, all off recollection...but PFF does a great job grading individuals and individual groups, and they're excellent at not allowing things like fastest release skew their analyses). THAT is what the #2 ranking is based off of.

So again, Dalton releasing the ball the fastest in the league - which I was wrong about - does not have an effect on that #2 ranking.

As you said, it is the system, and Dalton is as much of that system as the offensive line. So in order for the offensive line to be ranked what they are, Dalton still has to do what he does for that to make a difference.

Like I have said many times, Dalton needs to improve a lot over last year, but the 2nd year is usually the hardest. Professional coaches with tons more experience figure out a way to fluster the young QB's before they learn how to adjust themselves. The OL still can't be ranked as high as they were if not for Dalton doing his part in the system. Just saying.

 

[DanBengalfan]

My feeling about Dalton is, we married the guy, now we have to sleep with him.


ok.. that sounds a little gay, but you know what I mean.