Series Thread: Mariners @ Giants: 4/3/18 - 4/4/18

[Duders]

What a fucking joke. See y'all at the twins.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

Lets just call today a Mulligan and fly to Minneapolis and be content with splitting in San Fran

 

[LHG]

Lets just call today a Mulligan and fly to Minneapolis and be content with splitting in San Fran

Wasn't that what everyone expected? I'm just glad we most likely not get swept at home by your team.

 

[Montalban]

Mariners (2-1) are coming into San Francisco to take on the Giants (2-2) for a two game set after a day off.

Here are the probable pitchers:

4/3/18: Marco Gonzales (5.40 ERA in 36.2 IP) vs. Ty Blach (4.78 ERA in 163.2 IP)

4/4/18: Felix Hernandez (4.36 ERA in 86.2 IP) vs. Johnny Cueto (4.52 ERA in 147.1 IP)

All stats are from 2017. Next series thread I'll begin posting 2018 stats.

Go Mariners!

Get it done Cueto.

 

[Anointed One]

I don't think the L/R/L thing is as big of a deal anymore in baseball as there are so many specialists. And besides if Seager is struggling they can bring in a lefty to face Cano then walk Cruz. With mound visits cut down maybe it is beneficial now but I'm still waiting to see how the mound visit thing shakes out for pitching changes. It's cut down catcher trotting out but haven't noticed anything with managers.

It forces the opposing pitcher to utilize more of their bullpen... For example, if we had 3 lefties, then the opponent would just have to use one guy in the bullpen for all 3 pitchers (probably a lefty)... When you keep it RLF like we have it, the opposing team has to use multiple pitcher if it's a close game late in the game... They still do have RHP pitch to RHH and vice versa with lefties when it's close late in the game...

 

[Anointed One]

5 walks in 4 innings by Felix? That's a recipe for disaster...

 

[wazzu31]

It forces the opposing pitcher to utilize more of their bullpen... For example, if we had 3 lefties, then the opponent would just have to use one guy in the bullpen for all 3 pitchers (probably a lefty)... When you keep it RLF like we have it, the opposing team has to use multiple pitcher if it's a close game late in the game... They still do have RHP pitch to RHH and vice versa with lefties when it's close late in the game...

I get that philosophy but I don't necessarily agree with it. This isn't the 80's or 90's where most teams didn't have pens or specialists. I'm not saying it's a wrong philosophy but now with a pitcher not having to even throw a pitch to intentionally walk Cruz I don't think it's as big of a deal. You'll never see a manager have a lefty in to face Cano then walk Cruz and Haniger to get to Seager (just an example)

 

[JMR]

I get that philosophy but I don't necessarily agree with it. This isn't the 80's or 90's where most teams didn't have pens or specialists. I'm not saying it's a wrong philosophy but now with a pitcher not having to even throw a pitch to intentionally walk Cruz I don't think it's as big of a deal. You'll never see a manager have a lefty in to face Cano then walk Cruz and Haniger to get to Seager (just an example)

I find it sorta odd that you don't see the light here. Specialization is actually a reason why it's smart to alternate L/R in the lineup. You either have to make a bunch of pitching changes or the specialized pitchers must face hitters outside of their specialty. Of course you're not going to walk 2 guys to get to Seager...you're either going to change pitchers or pitch to the guys in front of him, and the point is the matchup favors the hitter OR you're forcing the other team to cycle through their bullpen.

 

[SeattleCoug]

I think what gets at me the most is the fact that Felix was even given the opportunity to give up 8. He should have been pulled in the Top of the 5th for a pinch hitter when the game was still 4-0. Likely wasn't the M's day anyway but no reason let that continue when Felix clearly didn't happen. This goes back to last year when I felt too often pitching changes were predetermined before the game rather then what transpires during the game. IMO Felix was predetermined to throw X amount of pitches no matter what. I would have pulled him in the 2nd but the fact that he started the 5th was dumb. The fact that he still stayed in after the 5th started Homer, walk, walk was even dumber. I want to know my Manager is watching the game and has a feel for what is going on.

 

[Duders]

I absolutely and totally agree!! My biggest rant since Servishit has come on board is that he sits on his fuckin' ass with that stupid constipated look on his face instead of making a smart managerial decision and make a pitching change. I agree it probably would not have made a difference in the end but it sure makes the M's look stupid stupid stupid and messes with all the players minds and deflates the teams spirit. No excuses can make sense for the manager's lack of action and I hope he gets fired but I know he won't cuz he's Dipsticks good buddy......like two peas in a pod. Servishit is going to do the same fucking thing this season with the pitching staff- and we'll be hearing "well that's baseball" over and over again in his post game bullshit interview.

 

[wazzu31]

I find it sorta odd that you don't see the light here. Specialization is actually a reason why it's smart to alternate L/R in the lineup. You either have to make a bunch of pitching changes or the specialized pitchers must face hitters outside of their specialty. Of course you're not going to walk 2 guys to get to Seager...you're either going to change pitchers or pitch to the guys in front of him, and the point is the matchup favors the hitter OR you're forcing the other team to cycle through their bullpen.

I just don't think swapping batting hands is as big of a deal anymore. I'm just saying my preference is I'd stack it up to force the other team to make more bullpen changes since teams only have 6 visits now. But like I said earlier with this subject I just wish they would switch up the lineup more or to the extent it makes sense, like not putting Zunino or Vogelbach in front Gordon. They have evolved the entire game except keeping batters in the same roles.