Magic Number / Final record

[Windingmywatch]

The way you ensure your developing talent matures is to give them opportunities to succeed in the face of challenges.

If you want Mike Olt to develop as a good 1bman ... you don't pull him in the late innings for Mitch. You stick with him. If you think you have to sub for him when the game is on the line ... then he shouldn't be out there at all.

TEX runs MY out there at SS for the entire game last night ... until the 9th inning when Elvis came in for him. Well if MY is good enough to play innings 1-8 ... then he's good enough to be out there when the game is down to its last 3 outs. If he isn't good enough to be out there for the last 3 outs ... then he should have never been at that position to begin with.

 

[fordman84]

Agree ... and the time off might actually have made a difference in MY's production too.

If that was the expected level of his play ... 3 to 4 games a week I have to believe the bench guys would not be the ones souring the clubhouse. Somehow I don't see Elvis grumping to media that he's "soured" because MY isn't playing every day.

Face of the franchise is just a marketing poof. You don't hear anyone in the TEX organization call Young the face of the franchise. Only the media and marketeers do it.

No, they call him the captain in the clubhouse.

 

[fordman84]

"If you base your lineup on what someone has done all season, then you would never change your lineup unless there were an injury"

Maybe you would do that ... but I would ensure enough PT to make sure each guy on the roster could contribute to the whole in the role he had on that roster.

In fact it is based on what a player has done all season that provides you the reason to diversify your lineup. If you play the same guys all the time then you are never going to be any better than those guys ... and you will know nothing about the quality and capability of your bench.

Quite honestly for me ... this TEX team is boring to watch. I don't like them as much as I liked the 2010 and 2011 teams. I attribute that to seeing the same roster run out there every night and the exciting guys sitting on the bench rarely involved in the game.

How would you do that, if you are basing it on what they have done year to date? They have nothing to show, so nothing "year to date" to show you.

Only someone spoiled would say they are bored with watching their team win.

 

[fordman84]

The way you ensure your developing talent matures is to give them opportunities to succeed in the face of challenges.

If you want Mike Olt to develop as a good 1bman ... you don't pull him in the late innings for Mitch. You stick with him. If you think you have to sub for him when the game is on the line ... then he shouldn't be out there at all.

TEX runs MY out there at SS for the entire game last night ... until the 9th inning when Elvis came in for him. Well if MY is good enough to play innings 1-8 ... then he's good enough to be out there when the game is down to its last 3 outs. If he isn't good enough to be out there for the last 3 outs ... then he should have never been at that position to begin with.

I agree with all of that...if you are in rebuilding mode.

When you are trying to win a pennant you can let your young guys develop, but you put your trusted bats and gloves out there when the time comes. Develop players in the minors, ST, and blowouts.

 

[romeo212000]

You don't remember his first half of the year?

What's your point? Again... Small sample sizes don't really tell you much.

 

[scotsman1948]

really? That's the best you come back with? MY is the second worse every day player in the league. Plain and simple.

and you keep coming back with the same crap. you have no numbers to prove that anything would be different if they benched MY 2-3 times a week. you continue to harp how things would be different if Wash would only bench MY for 2 + days a week and play the younger players and how this is causing tension in the clubhouse and how Wash should be fired because he doesn't see the logic in your arguments but just like you accuse me it is all supposition on your part.

 

[Lukawren24]

I don't see any coach benching any player that has a history like young when in first place by 4 games with less than a month to play.....no manager would do something that would totally divide the clubhouse. So it's not just wash, it's every manager that's worth a shit. Now if we were behind by 4 or 5 games you may try something like that for a spark, but ahead by 4 games....why take a chance when it's working?

 

[fordman84]

What's your point? Again... Small sample sizes don't really tell you much.

Had he been benched after a terrible start, like you wanted to do with MY, Jeter wouldn't have fought his way back to almost .300.


You play your players and you don't make changes to the team leader mid stream.

 

[romeo212000]

I agree with all of that...if you are in rebuilding mode.

When you are trying to win a pennant you can let your young guys develop, but you put your trusted bats and gloves out there when the time comes. Develop players in the minors, ST, and blowouts.

And MY's performance over this season has done anything but proven that he's a "trusted bat" or "trusted glove".

 

[romeo212000]

Had he been benched after a terrible start, like you wanted to do with MY, Jeter wouldn't have fought his way back to almost .300.


You play your players and you don't make changes to the team leader mid stream.

It's near the end of the season and MY has no prayer of rebuilding his season the way Jeter did. Please stop with the comparisons.

 

[fordman84]

And MY's performance over this season has done anything but proven that he's a "trusted bat" or "trusted glove".

that darn hindsight, it is 20/20 isn't it?

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Sigh.... Another thread cluttered with Wash/MY hate....and only 1-2 posts actually on topic....

 

[romeo212000]

and you keep coming back with the same crap. you have no numbers to prove that anything would be different if they benched MY 2-3 times a week. you continue to harp how things would be different if Wash would only bench MY for 2 + days a week and play the younger players and how this is causing tension in the clubhouse and how Wash should be fired because he doesn't see the logic in your arguments but just like you accuse me it is all supposition on your part.

Yeah. The crap I keep coming back with is facts and numbers. Quantifiable evidence. I concept that seems to escape you.

 

[fordman84]

Sigh.... Another thread cluttered with Wash/MY hate....and only 1-2 posts actually on topic....

True. Kenny needs to create a MY/Wash/Misc hate thread and whenever these threads divert into that just move all those posts to the "hate" thread.

 

[romeo212000]

that darn hindsight, it is 20/20 isn't it?

Isn't that the point of giving him 2/3 of the season to turn it around before you start giving other players a chance? Something that should've happened a month ago.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

True. Kenny needs to create a MY/Wash/Misc hate thread and whenever these threads divert into that just move all those posts to the "hate" thread.

We need a more active mod... IMO.

There are idk... 5-7? (maybe more) that are on here a couple times a day...

Edit: he last logged in on the 30th.

 

[romeo212000]

Had he been benched after a terrible start, like you wanted to do with MY, Jeter wouldn't have fought his way back to almost .300.


You play your players and you don't make changes to the team leader mid stream.

I've said multiple times in this thread alone I don't base my opinions on single performances. And he's given me an entire season. Not one performance.

 

[fordman84]

Yeah. The crap I keep coming back with is facts and numbers. Quantifiable evidence. I concept that seems to escape you.

Yes, after the fact quantifiable evidence.

Should Wash have sat MY based on what did happen? Yes. Did he know that earlier in the year? No. Did he have history that MY would stay in a season long slump? No. Can we see all of this in hindsight? Yes.


Is Wash a bad manager for not knowing that MY would be in a season long slump based on anything he had history wise? No. MY has been an excellent hitter his entire career. If we roll around to next year and MY is still playing every day, then you can complain. But you can't blame Wash for giving MY the chance to hit his way out of a slump. You don't sit your way out, you hit your way out. Now it is obvious it isn't a slump but something is wrong. MY is hurt or he has lost it. Unfortunately you don't change in September when your team is playoff bound.

Address it in the offseason, and get off Wash's back for now.

 

[fordman84]

I've said multiple times in this thread alone I don't base my opinions on single performances. And he's given me an entire season. Not one performance.

Now he has given you a season, Wash couldn't see the future. So now Wash knows, but he also knows you don't rock the boat before the playoffs. You stick with what got you here, good or bad.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Guess this is as good of a place as any to post this...

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