LMAO ... all year

[Sportster 72]

We have needed defensive help and the top three threads are about Cousins. Nothing says fans like a QB controversy.

 

[Sharkinva]

@Sportster 72

That might be because, if we dont decide to resign Cousins, we will likely ignore the defense again as we continue the quest for the next elite QB. Or maybe not ignore, but if we dont resign Cousins, do you really think our first pick will be anything other than a QB??

 

[Sportster 72]

I understand shark. Just made me laugh, I knew this was coming. There isn't anything I can do it about. The football minds will work it ... for good or bad.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

NO WAY QB is our first pick even if cousins isn't re-signed. qbs are going to be gone by pick #17

 

[Sharkinva]

NO WAY QB is our first pick even if cousins isn't re-signed. qbs are going to be gone by pick #17

Trubisky will be there at #10. If we traded the #17, next years first, and this years second to go up and get him... dimes to donuts there would be skins fans lined up to give SMGM illicit pleasure.

 

[ehb5]

To be fair it's not like that's not the most important thing to figure out right now. Our up and down starter at the most important position in football is about to hit free agency. It's a much more important and interesting topic then which Dline man we should sign or draft.

 

[Sportster 72]

To be fair it's not like that's not the most important thing to figure out right now. Our up and down starter at the most important position in football is about to hit free agency. It's a much more important and interesting topic then which Dline man we should sign or draft.

Which was the point of my thread. Fans will be fans

 

[Breed]

We have needed defensive help and the top three threads are about Cousins. Nothing says fans like a QB controversy.

Is there a controversy? Aside from a team making the Skins an outrageous which I guess won't be necessary as he under no contarct at present or soon to be. I can't really see Scotty Mac letting Cuz walk. Scotty Mac can hem and haw and talk that not wanting to put too much of finite funds into a single player. Or procastinate in hopes of some miracle or whatever falling into his lap. At this point though its gonna come down to whether Cuz buys Scotty Mac a nice dinner or not and how much vaseline Cuz lets Scotty use before, well, you know.
The Skins braintrust gambled and lost back when they franchised Cuz the first time. Though I don't blame them, It was or seemed to be the right move at the time.

I just wish all the BS, both the habitual and the newly forming, would stop. Namely...........

A) Claiming Cuz is an elite or top 5 QB.

B) The bending over backwards trying to defend/justify what was simply a bad game by Cuz. Going as far to blame other players/units or placing more blame on them than they don't deserve.

C) Claiming Cuz has made those around him better.

D) Shark's notion that Cuz is too good for us, the Skins fanbase and the Skins team. Which is the strangest one of all.

Has he made strides? Sure, w/o question. Do the Skins need improvements in other areas of the team? One could argue they need improvement in every other area of the team ona player by player basis with Trent being the most obvious exception followed by Scherff being an exception.

Far as the defensive improvements go. If Scotty Mac doesn't setriously updrade or at least try to upgrade at multiple positions on that side of the ballvia the dfraft as well as FA. Whatever mojo he had may officially be gone now.

 

[gkekoa]

Is there a controversy? Aside from a team making the Skins an outrageous which I guess won't be necessary as he under no contarct at present or soon to be. I can't really see Scotty Mac letting Cuz walk. Scotty Mac can hem and haw and talk that not wanting to put too much of finite funds into a single player. Or procastinate in hopes of some miracle or whatever falling into his lap. At this point though its gonna come down to whether Cuz buys Scotty Mac a nice dinner or not and how much vaseline Cuz lets Scotty use before, well, you know.
The Skins braintrust gambled and lost back when they franchised Cuz the first time. Though I don't blame them, It was or seemed to be the right move at the time.

I just wish all the BS, both the habitual and the newly forming, would stop. Namely...........

A) Claiming Cuz is an elite or top 5 QB.

B) The bending over backwards trying to defend/justify what was simply a bad game by Cuz. Going as far to blame other players/units or placing more blame on them than they don't deserve.

C) Claiming Cuz has made those around him better.

D) Shark's notion that Cuz is too good for us, the Skins fanbase and the Skins team. Which is the strangest one of all.

Has he made strides? Sure, w/o question. Do the Skins need improvements in other areas of the team? One could argue they need improvement in every other area of the team ona player by player basis with Trent being the most obvious exception followed by Scherff being an exception.

Far as the defensive improvements go. If Scotty Mac doesn't setriously updrade or at least try to upgrade at multiple positions on that side of the ballvia the dfraft as well as FA. Whatever mojo he had may officially be gone now.

List the QBs you would want for five years in this offense over KC.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Where do some folks keep getting this BS that Cousins is going to leave the Redskins this offseason? This is 100% nonsense. The team has already stated that at worst they will tag him. A bad game or two is not going to change that. If the speculation is that Cousins will somehow sit out if he is tagged well good luck to him with that approach. That will mean losing a ton of money next season & most likely making significantly less with his next team.

Time for a reality check. The team & Cousins will work out a long term deal over the offseason. It may take a while & involve some tension and gamesmanship along the way, but I definitely see this being done. We are talking about the FO office here - not some emotionally charged fans or some screaming heads at ESPN. They know the pros and cons for Cousins as well as the fact that finding an equivalent replacement will be difficult if not impossible. Breath easy & let's just wait and see what transpires in the next few months.

 

[j_y19]

Where do some folks keep getting this BS that Cousins is going to leave the Redskins this offseason? This is 100% nonsense. The team has already stated that at worst they will tag him. A bad game or two is not going to change that. If the speculation is that Cousins will somehow sit out if he is tagged well good luck to him with that approach. That will mean losing a ton of money next season & most likely making significantly less with his next team.

Time for a reality check. The team & Cousins will work out a long term deal over the offseason. It may take a while & involve some tension and gamesmanship along the way, but I definitely see this being done. We are talking about the FO office here - not some emotionally charged fans or some screaming heads at ESPN. They know the pros and cons for Cousins as well as the fact that finding an equivalent replacement will be difficult if not impossible. Breath easy & let's just wait and see what transpires in the next few months.

Ah, a voice of reason. How refreshing in these difficult times.

 

[deanpet21]

Where do some folks keep getting this BS that Cousins is going to leave the Redskins this offseason? This is 100% nonsense. The team has already stated that at worst they will tag him. A bad game or two is not going to change that. If the speculation is that Cousins will somehow sit out if he is tagged well good luck to him with that approach. That will mean losing a ton of money next season & most likely making significantly less with his next team.

Time for a reality check. The team & Cousins will work out a long term deal over the offseason. It may take a while & involve some tension and gamesmanship along the way, but I definitely see this being done. We are talking about the FO office here - not some emotionally charged fans or some screaming heads at ESPN. They know the pros and cons for Cousins as well as the fact that finding an equivalent replacement will be difficult if not impossible. Breath easy & let's just wait and see what transpires in the next few months.

I never seen where the team will definitely tag him at 24M. You do not know that for sure about a long term deal unless you see the offers that KC's camp is making. What if he wants more than Luck? What do you do? He is not going to accept anything less than 23M in my opinion on a long term deal. You cant just say SM will give him anything that is he asking for. If that was the case SM would of locked him up last year. I don't think SM is the guy who you can back into a corner and get anything you want from him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I never seen where the team will definitely tag him at 24M. You do not know that for sure about a long term deal unless you see the offers that KC's camp is making. What if he wants more than Luck? What do you do? He is not going to accept anything less than 23M in my opinion on a long term deal. You cant just say SM will give him anything that is he asking for. If that was the case SM would of locked him up last year. I don't think SM is the guy who you can back into a corner and get anything you want from him.

Source: Redskins will tag Cousins again if no deal

This is old news. It was reported in late Nov that the Redskins will tag Cousins if they can not agree on a long term extension. I see no reason why they will still not act in this manner. Why would they let him go for nothing? Why not at worst keep him in DC for one more year & then go from there (heck - he could be greatly improved in 2017)?

The other offers don't matter if Cousins cannot leave on his own. He will be on the Redskins roster next season - end of story.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - stop getting so caught up in the per year numbers. That is the price for signing a decent - not necessarily elite - QB in the NFL at this time. It is simply a matter of being in the rt place at the rt time. It doesn't mean that Cousins (or Flacco or whoever) is better than Brady, Rodgers or Brees. It just means that his contract expired at a certain time & the timing was fortunate. Get over this already.

 

[deanpet21]

BTW - stop getting so caught up in the per year numbers. That is the price for signing a decent - not necessarily elite - QB in the NFL at this time. It is simply a matter of being in the rt place at the rt time. It doesn't mean that Cousins (or Flacco or whoever) is better than Brady, Rodgers or Brees. It just means that his contract expired at a certain time & the timing was fortunate. Get over this already.

Fine but we still have to pay top dollar b/c the contract has expired. The other guys you mentioned have consistently won playoff games. This is the issue. Does the team feel KC is worth a long term deal?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Fine but we still have to pay top dollar b/c the contract has expired. The other guys you mentioned have consistently won playoff games. This is the issue. Does the team feel KC is worth a long term deal?

Yes - they have to pay him top dollar - so what? It is the price of doing business. The only question now becomes do you want to go w/ the tag one more year or are you ready to commit to an extended contract. If they decide to go with neither then IMO you basically just extended your rebuild period by a few years. Your only real decent option at QB is then via the draft which is a crapshoot & likely will take several years to be successful (if at all).

Going w/ guys like McCoy & others similar to him will only get you so far. So answer this - if they let Cousins go - what would you do as a GM for the QB position for the next several years? I don't think that there is a good answer to this one.

I find all of this puzzling coming from you since you have basically been Cousins' biggest cheerleader for the last few years. You need to stick with your guys through good and bad times.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes - they have to pay him top dollar - so what? It is the price of doing business. The only question now becomes do you want to go w/ the tag one more year or are you ready to commit to an extended contract. If they decide to go with neither then IMO you basically just extended your rebuild period by a few years. Your only real decent option at QB is then via the draft which is a crapshoot & likely will take several years to be successful (if at all).

Going w/ guys like McCoy & others similar to him will only get you so far. So answer this - if they let Cousins go - what would you do as a GM for the QB position for the next several years? I don't think that there is a good answer to this one.

I find all of this puzzling coming from you since you have basically been Cousins' biggest cheerleader for the last few years. You need to stick with your guys through good and bad times.

I like KC as a QB but the Giants. Ari, and Car games rubbed me the wrong way. He had to win that Giant game in my opinion to warrant a contract like Lucks. His performance was just down right disgraceful. I have serious doubts on giving him a long term deal. Yes we could tag him again but that will hurt the cap this year and we have to sign a lot back and need a lot more new faces on the defense.

If we decided to move on, that would give us even more cap room to sign back guys and add more talent. You have to remember that the talent on this team is making KC. KC is not making anyone better IMO. This has to factor in SM decision making. SM wasn't sold last year so there could be some doubts this year after the Arizona, Carolina, and Giant games.

This is not a slam dunk decision in my opinion. Gruden wants him back so that might trump everything. b/c of Sundays game the franchise tag might be the best option but it hurts us this year in acquiring FA's.

 

[deanpet21]

Maybe Im still distraught from Sunday. lol

 

[redskin4209]

To me and I said only me, KC is not worth 22/24 million after watching the Giants game. There is a reason why we did not sign him last yr and it may be the reason why KC didn't say he wanted to be back after having a bad game Sunday. However I will leave all of this to Scot. He knows best and I will let it be. After all he has been in a similar situation before.

 

[deanpet21]

To me and I said only me, KC is not worth 22/24 million after watching the Giants game. There is a reason why we did not sign him last yr and it may be the reason why KC didn't say he wanted to be back after having a bad game Sunday. However I will leave all of this to Scot. He knows best and I will let it be. After all he has been in a similar situation before.

I agree. Gruden even admitted that decision making and reading coverage's were areas he has to work on. That didn't sit well with me either.