Let's talk about J. Gruden

[Stymietee]

There seems to be a growing consensus forming around this guy and what some are calling the Cousins experiment. In it they say that the internal agreement is that he gets his opportunity with KC and will be evaluated by results. Anything less than a full season doesn't seem fair to me considering the makeup of the team, but let me ask, IF TRUE:

1. How many games does Gruden have to make his point?
2. Is it fair to him considering what he has to work with in terms of personnel?
3. How warm is the seat that he occupies?
4. How big is the upcoming Rams game? (Taking your answer to #1 into consideration)
5. Can Cousin go 1- whatever, before the experiment ends? ( fill in whatever with the maximum number of losses as a starter)

SN: For those of you who want to turn this into an RGIII thread, know this, I believe that he should be inactive all year and made to learn the game. If he refuses, his ass is gone.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You can not expect to lose this often and keep your job. Sure the roster sucks, it is incredible how much damage Bruce Allen did in only one year as head of personnel. And of course that's on Snyder for giving him that power with his track record.

But back to Gruden they got worse, not better as the year went on. That is very coincerning. If Joe Gibbs was the master of the halftime adjustment, one of the many things that made him great, Gruden is just the opposite. His teams get their ass kicked in the second half on a regular basis.

 

[skinzfan]

Redskins looked like a poorly conditioned football team in the second half, that's on Gruden.

 

[j_y19]

I'll preface this by saying I have concerns about gruden. He has at times seemed in over his head and I question this team's readiness and discipline at times. However, gruden stepped into a shit storm that I don't believe any coach could succeed in. I think all should keep that in mind when evaluating him. So I guess there are two answers to your questions, what do I believe he should have and what I believe he will have.

I believe that any HC should get a minimum of 3 years to implement his plan with his people. By year 3, improvement should be seen consistently. KC, similarly, should get a full season to make mistakes, learn, and improve. If by the end of this season he is still making the same errors with the same frequency, then we need to think about plan B. This doesn't mean that he still won't throw INTs, but the frequency should be much less.

Having said this, I believe that the seat gruden occupies has become very warm. If KC fails or if they win 4 games or less, I believe he will be gone next year. This next game is just that, a next game. I don't put anymore significance to it than the last game. We are not going to the playoffs, so being a conference game is immaterial. Because he is feeling the heat, gruden may not give KC this full year. If, by the bye, we are sitting here with 1 or2 wins and KC is still playing so so, he may pull him. What will be interesting is who he turns to. That, IMO, will be a decision made above him.

 

[skinz2winz]

1. How many games does Gruden have to make his point?
A: That is up to Gruden and likely will be his down fall since he doesn't want to work with Griffin.

2. Is it fair to him considering what he has to work with in terms of personnel?
A: Fair? This is the NFL so fairness is not a crutch. He is in year 2 (2 full drafts & off seasons)

3. How warm is the seat that he occupies?
A: No one will fire Gruden during the season. He is however, being evaluated each game and his report after game #1 is not good at all.

4. How big is the upcoming Rams game? (Taking your answer to #1 into consideration)
A: From a win/loss stand point, not very big. From a team competitive, discipline, execution stand point, this game is big in terms of his evaluation and where the team stands after 2 games.

5. Can Cousin go 1- whatever, before the experiment ends? ( fill in whatever with the maximum number of losses as a starter)
A: Yes, he can because Gruden will make every excuse in the book as to why Cousins should remain the starter.

SN: For those of you who want to turn this into an RGIII thread, know this, I believe that he should be inactive all year and made to learn the game. If he refuses, his ass is gone.
A: RG3 should not remain inactive for the simple fact that he gives WASH the best chance to win with his ability to run as well as throw the football. He just needed to get the ball out faster and or throw away and play for the next down. He throws a much better ball than Cousins, and needed the opportunity to play behind a better offensive line than he has up to this point, of which he was not given that opportunity yet. You will see Griffin again this year behind center if SM has anything to do with it.
SN: I believe SM will give Gruden 3 years regardless then jettison him for his coach pick.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think gruden should get 3 years to get his program in place . one year (last) to see what he has 2nd year to get his pieces in place year 3 to begin starting to make a run .

first off in gruden's case he was forced to take a qb with issues . 2nd he had a DC forced on him and that DC undermined him and the team by being the source of leaks to the press which some people need to take into account 3rd he inherited a team with little talent and sparse depth

now if you fire a guy with less then 3 years to implement his program then one has to wonder what kind of coach will come here for that ? certainly big name coaches wont . so we will be looking at a mediocre retread and another type of young coordinator who is just as risky as gruden

now my prediction of the first guy we could get would be bevell from seatle . SM knows him , and seatle might want to move on from him . now dont misunderstand this as want people i am just throwing the type of coach we may get

6 wins should get gruden a stay of execution . we have played one game and could have won it . RG3 is a waste of time .

the rams game is important because its a conference game and until we are officially eliminated you have to believe you are in it , so yes its important but not season ending

 

[skinz2winz]

i think gruden should get 3 years to get his program in place . one year (last) to see what he has 2nd year to get his pieces in place year 3 to begin starting to make a run .

first off in gruden's case he was forced to take a qb with issues . 2nd he had a DC forced on him and that DC undermined him and the team by being the source of leaks to the press which some people need to take into account 3rd he inherited a team with little talent and sparse depth

now if you fire a guy with less then 3 years to implement his program then one has to wonder what kind of coach will come here for that ? certainly big name coaches wont . so we will be looking at a mediocre retread and another type of young coordinator who is just as risky as gruden

now my prediction of the first guy we could get would be bevell from seatle . SM knows him , and seatle might want to move on from him . now dont misunderstand this as want people i am just throwing the type of coach we may get

Or Josh McDaniel from the Pats. Has gained valuable experience, was a former HC and has mentored under the best HC in football.

 

[skinsdad62]

3 is awful period . colt mccoy is better . 3's rookie year is almost a 1/2 decade ago

 

[deanpet21]

After the Miami game I was pissed at Gruden for his play calls but then I realized this. Its not Grudens fault that we dropped 2 INts. Its not Grudens fault that Reed ran the wrong route on 4th down. Its not Grudens fault on the special teams gaffes. Our players lost the game. It wasn't like the Giants/ Dal game when Couglin called a pass play. The Miami loss is not on Gruden nor KC. This is a stupid post. This is not a KC experiment. He is the best QB on the team and that is why he is playing.

 

[kbso83432]

1. I think Gruden gets the year. I think Dan is taking the approach of show me. Show me this was all RG'S fault. Show me why you love McCoy and Kirk so much. Let me see if you are going to lead the league in penalties or be close to it again. Let me see if you can actually win a challenge this year. As I stated earlier, I think he's giving Jay the rope to hang himself with.

2. I am not sure if it's fair. The roster is not bad, it's just lopsided. Plethora of talent at certain positions and NO talent at others.

3. His seat is warm and it's even warmer now that RG is inactive. He's pushed all his chips into the McCoy/Kirk table and right or wrong, knowing this owner Jay's future is riding on their performances.

4. I don't think this game is do or die for Jay. The Dolphins were favored and so are the Rams. It's not like we have lost to a team we were heavily favored to beat. He doesn't have a Chiefs game on his resume yet. They played well Sunday, better than a lot of people thought they would and if Jax doesn't go down, they probably win that game.

5. I think that depends on Scot. I assume Dan will lump Kirk's season in with Jay's evaluation. I think Scot is mature enough to separate the two.

I thought about this a lot yesterday. What has Jay done so far that I have liked? It took a while but you have to admire the way he has stood up to Dan and RG. That in itself has probably won himself the locker room. There have been times where his offense has moved the ball at will.

One does have to wonder if things would be different around here with Mike and Kyle. Absence does make the heart grow fonder.

I can say this Jay is no Joe Gibbs. Gibbs went to the playoffs twice in 3 years and won us a playoff game. His teams played hard every week and he had guys like Portis, Taylor, Moss, Arrington, Washington, Cooley, Springs, and Samules. Miss those boys. But those guys were veterans. Gibbs loved veterans.

Jay has a young team and he's a young coach. He deserves more time, but personally, I am in no way sold on Jay Gruden.