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[Sharkinva]

Dean was upset we passed on Williams. Only recently did he mention Beasley because of his year. This is Dean's hind sight in action.

Ladies and Gentleman... we have a winner.

 

[Breed]

Good point... But... Let me ask you a question.... Now not that i expect it to happen.

But lets say Scherff does end up in the really good but not great category. And we some how manage to say win or make a Super Bowl with him as a key part of our O-line, and the Falcons with Beasly have the Super Bowl loser slump and dont reach that mark again during their respective years playing. Would you rather have an all pro LB, or the Hogs 2.0. I get it pass rushers get all the head lines, and Dean is straight up **** star butt hurt over the fact that we passed on Williams and Beasly. But as i have pointed out many times, you can speculate how either player would have done under Joe Barry, we know for a fact how Scherff has helped this team. So ya'll can continue to play the I wish we had picked this guy game. IM glad we took Scherff because it showed substance over sexy. And for that alone IM going to miss our GM because I think he knew deep down that you build from the line out, and even with Williams, our defense was going to suck.

In a choice between an OL unit that can be as effective and successful as the Hogs and an all pro LB. I'd pick the Hogs 99% of the time. There's a few LBs probably, Lawrence Taylor comes immediately to mind, that I'd pick over the Hogs, but not many more after him.

Far as what Beasley and Williams could've done in a Barry defense. I'll speculate that both would've done better than the players they would've replaced. Funny you're using a "the defense was going to suck no matter what." excuse now. During last season you weren't being so pragmatic or generous to the defense. Course you were defending Kirk Cousins back then against any and all criticism, even that which was legit criticism, but blaming the defense back then worked for you. You're defending Schreff so that narrative had to change eh.

 

[Breed]

Dean was upset we passed on Williams. Only recently did he mention Beasley because of his year. This is Dean's hind sight in action.

Actually I think I was the first person on the board to bring Beasley into the Schreff/Williams debate.

 

[skinsdad62]

Actually I think I was the first person on the board to bring Beasley into the Schreff/Williams debate.

Yeah 2 years after the fact . I challenge anyone who can find a post prior to the sherrf draft where he advocated Beasley over sherrf . It was Williams all the way and Beasley just over the past few weeks

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The Falcons Vic Beasley came on in his 2nd year to lead the NFL in sacks in 2017 with 15.5. If Beasley has a few more years like that while Williams and Schreff toil in the "Can be very good, but aren't great category." We'll all end up butt hurt wishing we would've picked him instead of Screff or Williams.

And the beat goes on..................

No actually Beasley could turn into Lawrence Taylor, Williams into Reggie White and most here will defend the pick because Scherff "solidified the OL". Their arguement always centers on Scherff and his play, not once have I seen them address the fact that Beasley led the NFL in sacks and is a game changing player and a dominant force. Instead I heard "how much did he help Atlanta? Their defense wasn't that good".

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah 2 years after the fact . I challenge anyone who can find a post prior to the sherrf draft where he advocated Beasley over sherrf . It was Williams all the way and Beasley just over the past few weeks

This is very true, and Williams was always my choice as well. But again our main argument was taking a guard at 5 when players at other, harder positions to fill, were available. And moving forward I'd still take Williams over Scherff.

 

[Sharkinva]

In a choice between an OL unit that can be as effective and successful as the Hogs and an all pro LB. I'd pick the Hogs 99% of the time. There's a few LBs probably, Lawrence Taylor comes immediately to mind, that I'd pick over the Hogs, but not many more after him.

Far as what Beasley and Williams could've done in a Barry defense. I'll speculate that both would've done better than the players they would've replaced. Funny you're using a "the defense was going to suck no matter what." excuse now. During last season you weren't being so pragmatic or generous to the defense. Course you were defending Kirk Cousins back then against any and all criticism, even that which was legit criticism, but blaming the defense back then worked for you. You're defending Schreff so that narrative had to change eh.

Dude.. why would i need to DEFEND what has turned out to be one of the better players on the team?? Even you admit, you are speculating as to how Williams OR Beasley could have done for us. Because we would have only been able to get one or the other. And you are defending Captain Hindsight who mentions Beasley after he had a good year, but Beasly was not on Deans radar when we picked Scherff.... in his mind it was Williams or we failed.

But I will do a little speculating of my own here.

Adding Williams or Beasley MIGHT have made up a little better on defense, be fact is Scherff is a part of what makes us a top ten offense.

 

[Sharkinva]

No actually Beasley could turn into Lawrence Taylor, Williams into Reggie White and most here will defend the pick because Scherff "solidified the OL". Their arguement always centers on Scherff and his play, not once have I seen them address the fact that Beasley led the NFL in sacks and is a game changing player and a dominant force. Instead I heard "how much did he help Atlanta? Their defense wasn't that good".

The whole thing is, you can speculate what Williams or Beasly might have done on this team. We KNOW what we got with Scherff.. ON THIS TEAM.

Now had we drafted Scherff and he turned into a turnstile and a bust of a pick.. I guess you could justify the bitching after the fact two years later. And the whole... oh my god we could have had THIS GUY instead mantra might make since. And if you value what if over what is, then roll with it.

 

[gkekoa]

The point I am making is it is early. At this point Scherff has been a better G than Williams is a DE and Beasley is...is ATL a 3-4 or 4-3?

Could Beasley become a dominant force? Perhaps, or he could go back to being what he was as a rookie.

Could Williams become dominant? Perhaps but he isn't yet.

Scherff has been the most dominant of the 3 at this point.

 

[Ruzious]

The whole thing is, you can speculate what Williams or Beasly might have done on this team. We KNOW what we got with Scherff.. ON THIS TEAM.

Now had we drafted Scherff and he turned into a turnstile and a bust of a pick.. I guess you could justify the bitching after the fact two years later. And the whole... oh my god we could have had THIS GUY instead mantra might make since. And if you value what if over what is, then roll with it.

Fwiw, I would have taken Williams, but... I think there was a method to the madness of picking Scherff. At the time, the Skins OLine seemed soft... real soft. They needed an attitude adjustment badly, and picking Scherff sent the message that the Skins O-line was getting an attitude adjustment. I still would have taken Williams, but I don't have a problem with what they did.

 

[Breed]

Yeah 2 years after the fact . I challenge anyone who can find a post prior to the sherrf draft where he advocated Beasley over sherrf . It was Williams all the way and Beasley just over the past few weeks

No need for the challenge. As I was the one, not dean, who bought Beasley into the discussion.

 

[Breed]

Dude.. why would i need to DEFEND what has turned out to be one of the better players on the team?? Even you admit, you are speculating as to how Williams OR Beasley could have done for us. Because we would have only been able to get one or the other. And you are defending Captain Hindsight who mentions Beasley after he had a good year, but Beasly was not on Deans radar when we picked Scherff.... in his mind it was Williams or we failed.

But I will do a little speculating of my own here.

Adding Williams or Beasley MIGHT have made up a little better on defense, be fact is Scherff is a part of what makes us a top ten offense.

Yes, Cuz was one of the Skins top performers last year. That doesn't change the fact that he came up wanting numerous times last year. And whenever that was bought up. Your go to move was to lament how shitty the defense was and how it was their fault when the Skins lost. It was almost as if you didn't know or realize that the Skins defense was really shitty in 2015 and with the lack of addressing that before the 2016 season rolled around. The defense was gonna be really shitty again in 2016. I just think its precious that you managed to factor that in for Brandon Schreff, but it didn't mean shit last year when you were defending Cuz.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yes, Cuz was one of the Skins top performers last year. That doesn't change the fact that he came up wanting numerous times last year. And whenever that was bought up. Your go to move was to lament how shitty the defense was and how it was their fault when the Skins lost. It was almost as if you didn't know or realize that the Skins defense was really shitty in 2015 and with the lack of addressing that before the 2016 season rolled around. The defense was gonna be really shitty again in 2016. I just think its precious that you managed to factor that in for Brandon Schreff, but it didn't mean shit last year when you were defending Cuz.

Again why do I need to defend one of the better players on the roster. The only people unhappy with him being here are people speculating what we might have gotten from guys we DIDNT draft. Our defense sucked... it MIGHT have sucked a little less had we taken Williams. But honestly I dont think he would have made fuck all of difference in a wins and losses context.

And not for nothing, but I have said over the last two years, IF the defense were better, we would be better as a team. BUt that doesnt mean I wish we had NOT taken one of our key O-lineman so we could get the other guy. I said from day one, I think we made the right pick. And I stick by that. I was thrilled we passed on Williams.

 

[Breed]

Fwiw, I would have taken Williams, but... I think there was a method to the madness of picking Scherff. At the time, the Skins OLine seemed soft... real soft. They needed an attitude adjustment badly, and picking Scherff sent the message that the Skins O-line was getting an attitude adjustment. I still would have taken Williams, but I don't have a problem with what they did.

I'll co-sign everything said above. GMSM made no bones about wanting to establish a physical presence on the Skins that they had lacked for quite some time up to that point. Schreff was a player who was/is a damn good fit for what Scotty Mac was looking for.

 

[Breed]

Again why do I need to defend one of the better players on the roster.

Man-crush? Fantasy bromance of yours involving you and Cuz? He was your fantasy team QB? You think the sun rises and sets on Cuz's ass? Hell, I dunno, but you damn sure came to his defense whenever a criticism was levied against him.

The only people unhappy with him being here are people speculating what we might have gotten from guys we DIDNT draft. Our defense sucked... it MIGHT have sucked a little less had we taken Williams. But honestly I dont think he would have made fuck all of difference in a wins and losses context.

I'm not unhappy with Cuz being a Redskin. I just don't think he needs to be a Redskin that's guaranteed 80 mill/making 25 mill per is all.

Yeah, the defense sucked. It sucked just as much when you were complaining about them last year not being able to hold teams to 20 points a game. You weren't near so pragmatic about it then though were you.

How much of a fuck's difference did Schreff made in the wins n losses dept?

And not for nothing, but I have said over the last two years, IF the defense were better, we would be better as a team.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. I'm sure Kid Redundancy will be along soon to double down on that on point and insightful assessment.

BUt that doesnt mean I wish we had NOT taken one of our key O-lineman so we could get the other guy. I said from day one, I think we made the right pick. And I stick by that. I was thrilled we passed on Williams.

I was OK with the pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

Man-crush? Fantasy bromance of yours involving you and Cuz? He was your fantasy team QB? You think the sun rises and sets on Cuz's ass? Hell, I dunno, but you damn sure came to his defense whenever a criticism was levied against him.



I'm not unhappy with Cuz being a Redskin. I just don't think he needs to be a Redskin that's guaranteed 80 mill/making 25 mill per is all.

Yeah, the defense sucked. It sucked just as much when you were complaining about them last year not being able to hold teams to 20 points a game. You weren't near so pragmatic about it then though were you.

How much of a fuck's difference did Schreff made in the wins n losses dept?



Thank you, Captain Obvious. I'm sure Kid Redundancy will be along soon to double down on that on point and insightful assessment.



I was OK with the pick.

I will just say this..

Kirk becomes the starter and Scherff is drafted, we go from a 4 win team, to a team that wins the Division, and barely misses the playoffs.

YOu get all bent out of shape for people defending the QB of the team you are a fan of. Find me something better that isnt speculation and Im all in boss. But the whole we could have had this guy, or we might be able to trade up for that guy next year dont work for me.

I dont play fantasy.. I also dont play the I wish we had this guy so Im going to whine about the guys we do have that are performing.

 

[Breed]

I will just say this..

Kirk becomes the starter and Scherff is drafted, we go from a 4 win team, to a team that wins the Division, and barely misses the playoffs.

Won the worst division in football and managed to not beat a team with a winning record in the process. Than while sitting pretty at 6-3-1 and their playoff destiny in their own hands. Went 2-4 down the stretch 86ing themselves right out the playoffs...................yay!

YOu get all bent out of shape for people defending the QB of the team you are a fan of. Find me something better that isnt speculation and Im all in boss. But the whole we could have had this guy, or we might be able to trade up for that guy next year dont work for me.

Word. Making a player the highest paid player in the history of the NFL. When all he's done is win a little over over 50% of the games he played in over the last 2 years. Has a uber shitty 2-9 w/l record against teams with a winning record in those 2 years and is a sizzling 0-1 in the postseason. Isn't exactly my cup of tea.

I dont play fantasy.. I also dont play the I wish we had this guy so Im going to whine about the guys we do have that are performing.

You do play "I'll take the same argument I made for one player. Flip it like a bitch and use it to support another player." game quite well though.