Kurt Warner Not All RG3's Fault vs Detroit

[skinsdad62]

DGF, I think you read too mUch into the analysis of a single play and don't get that Cooley, and many others, say it's a grave mistake in that its the same pattern of mistakes that he has made the last 2 years. That play in isolation is not grave. The fall back on the same poor tendencies when pressured is grave. Contrary to the rave reviews he has been getting duRing preseason, when live ammo is fired, he reverts. That is a serious concern.

i must have missed these "rave revues " . almost every review either refers to baby steps or "mixed " with his play sprinkled with one" big day" he had

RG3 has a long ways to go and we knew that going in . i said i believe he can fix half of his issues and still do . but rave review isnt nor should be included in his eval because he is barely a functioning NFL qb at this point

 

[skinsdad62]

What do you think Cooleys agenda is and why? Just curious as I also find him usually insightful but do find him a bit hyper critical of RG3. But if you listen to Brian Mitchell and doc walker, they are just as tough on Robert (Mitchell may be even tougher). It's funny that these ex players all bash him hard, what do they know or see that we don't? It's even more interesting in that all 3 work for Snyder and still openly bash him. When you have 3 ex NFL players saying he sucks and they have access to info, people, and the locker room that most don't, that tells me something.

oh i think he wanted to come back as a te and he campaigned for it then tried to divide the FO to do it . and that BS route running crap before the browns game was more self serving BS

as for the othe 2 guys i have no issue with them coming down hard on him and they should , in fact cooley should but cooley is turning into ryan clark and is looking for headlines

 

[j_y19]

oh i think he wanted to come back as a te and he campaigned for it then tried to divide the FO to do it . and that BS route running crap before the browns game was more self serving BS

as for the othe 2 guys i have no issue with them coming down hard on him and they should , in fact cooley should but cooley is turning into ryan clark and is looking for headlines

I never heard what he did to try and come back. How did he try to divide the FO? I agree that the workout before the Browns game was a bit over the top.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Cooley said 3 out of 4 in the front office wanted him back and used the show as a platform for getting a shot.

That said, doesn't mean his play breakdown analysis is wrong. Just means you look at it, look at others and draw your own conclusions.

 

[Sportster 72]

7 kids huh dad? YOU need to be our expert at operating in the pocket.

So I had to look up the three out of four thing. I hadn't heard about that or if I did I didn't see it as a big deal. Not sure where the "divide the front office" came from. I never saw those words used. What I did see was Cooley said 3 out of 4 decision makers wanted him AND that unless all 4 wanted him he didn't want the job because he didn't want to cause in-house problems. He said things were going well in that vane this year for the team and he didn't want to the cause of problems between the 4 decision makers. He refused to name dissenter. So if you know anything about Cooley's relationship with Snyder they are pretty close. That is why he got the radio job and it is why Dan sent him on an extended trip to Indian reservations last year. Maybe you didn't catch it but he was bashed pretty good for saying the native Americans liked the team and team name.

Part two of that story is Cooley is not eligible to be signed by the Redskins. There is an NFL rule that says you can't be signed by a team that you were working for in some other avenue. If the Redskins wanted to sign Cooley they would have to get special permission from Goodell.

As someone often says on here "not CSI here." I am often surprised by Cooley saying negative things about Griffin because he is so tight with Dan and because Griffin is Dan's man. I changed jobs at the first of the year so I don't listen to sports radio like I used to but Cooley had been complimentary about Griffin until that last game.

Whether you like Cooley or Joe the Fan doesn't really matter. Clearly Griffin is struggling just like he did last year. Cousins and McCoy come in and it is an entirely different game. It is obvious they have certain skills Griffin doesn't have. That doesn't mean I think one is the QB of the future. I think there is a very good chance you see a new HC and a new QB in town next year. McCloughan is playing the hand he has been given this year, I don't think it will be the same next year. I just hope it isn't Hackenburg if that is possible because I would hate to see that happen to him.

 

[BeaReylo]

Yeah the line was to blame for the Det game. What his excuse everyother game?

 

[skinsdad62]

7 kids huh dad? YOU need to be our expert at operating in the pocket.

So I had to look up the three out of four thing. I hadn't heard about that or if I did I didn't see it as a big deal. Not sure where the "divide the front office" came from. I never saw those words used. What I did see was Cooley said 3 out of 4 decision makers wanted him AND that unless all 4 wanted him he didn't want the job because he didn't want to cause in-house problems. He said things were going well in that vane this year for the team and he didn't want to the cause of problems between the 4 decision makers. He refused to name dissenter. So if you know anything about Cooley's relationship with Snyder they are pretty close. That is why he got the radio job and it is why Dan sent him on an extended trip to Indian reservations last year. Maybe you didn't catch it but he was bashed pretty good for saying the native Americans liked the team and team name.

Part two of that story is Cooley is not eligible to be signed by the Redskins. There is an NFL rule that says you can't be signed by a team that you were working for in some other avenue. If the Redskins wanted to sign Cooley they would have to get special permission from Goodell.

As someone often says on here "not CSI here." I am often surprised by Cooley saying negative things about Griffin because he is so tight with Dan and because Griffin is Dan's man. I changed jobs at the first of the year so I don't listen to sports radio like I used to but Cooley had been complimentary about Griffin until that last game.

Whether you like Cooley or Joe the Fan doesn't really matter. Clearly Griffin is struggling just like he did last year. Cousins and McCoy come in and it is an entirely different game. It is obvious they have certain skills Griffin doesn't have. That doesn't mean I think one is the QB of the future. I think there is a very good chance you see a new HC and a new QB in town next year. McCloughan is playing the hand he has been given this year, I don't think it will be the same next year. I just hope it isn't Hackenburg if that is possible because I would hate to see that happen to him.

i have taken Rg3 to task all off season and before TC started i said i would support him until his on field play didnt warrant it ( regular season )

i dont see him being the answer . he has way to far to go i have also said KC moves the team better however if KC were " all that " he would have seized the job when it was his for the taking when he had the starting gig . he didnt hence we have this on going debate KC is fine when everyone is where they are supposed to be and he is on script . he isnt as good when defenders are not where they should be and when he makes a mistake he presses to make up for it and digs himself a bigger hole

as for CSI , its hardly CSI , fact he said in public 3 out of 4 wanted him back 2nd he was in cleveland running pass patterns before the game . 3rd the rule you are referring to can be negotiated 4th a lot of what he dinged Rg3 could or could not be his fault and that has been an open debate amongst pundits since the game . some say the o/line , some say Rg3 , some say both .

i am sorry if you didnt like the fact that i said you "swear by cooley and now look at him " i saw what cooley doing as being divisive to the front office . i saw running patterns in cleveland as more politicking i see a article he wrote come out and wonder How in the hell does he work with RG3 again ? cooley retired when he should have . he should stay in the booth and talk about football . if he comes down on Rg3 so be it because Rg3 hasnt played the way he should .

the redskins will be looking for a qb in the next draft if not 2 of them because frankly we have one that is a diva , one who cant take failure and overcome it and one who doesnt have the arm strength to execute at a pro level

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

7 kids huh dad? YOU need to be our expert at operating in the pocket.

So I had to look up the three out of four thing. I hadn't heard about that or if I did I didn't see it as a big deal. Not sure where the "divide the front office" came from. I never saw those words used. What I did see was Cooley said 3 out of 4 decision makers wanted him AND that unless all 4 wanted him he didn't want the job because he didn't want to cause in-house problems. He said things were going well in that vane this year for the team and he didn't want to the cause of problems between the 4 decision makers. He refused to name dissenter. So if you know anything about Cooley's relationship with Snyder they are pretty close. That is why he got the radio job and it is why Dan sent him on an extended trip to Indian reservations last year. Maybe you didn't catch it but he was bashed pretty good for saying the native Americans liked the team and team name.

Part two of that story is Cooley is not eligible to be signed by the Redskins. There is an NFL rule that says you can't be signed by a team that you were working for in some other avenue. If the Redskins wanted to sign Cooley they would have to get special permission from Goodell.

As someone often says on here "not CSI here." I am often surprised by Cooley saying negative things about Griffin because he is so tight with Dan and because Griffin is Dan's man. I changed jobs at the first of the year so I don't listen to sports radio like I used to but Cooley had been complimentary about Griffin until that last game.

Whether you like Cooley or Joe the Fan doesn't really matter. Clearly Griffin is struggling just like he did last year. Cousins and McCoy come in and it is an entirely different game. It is obvious they have certain skills Griffin doesn't have. That doesn't mean I think one is the QB of the future. I think there is a very good chance you see a new HC and a new QB in town next year. McCloughan is playing the hand he has been given this year, I don't think it will be the same next year. I just hope it isn't Hackenburg if that is possible because I would hate to see that happen to him.

I listen to him every afternoon, you clearly missed the day he was pathetically lobbying for a chance. Cooley checked with the union and was very clear that he is eligible to sign with Washington. Then he went on a 15 minute plea, even listing a number of concessions he would make. Again it was pathetic. SM clearly does not want him and one look at his declining numbers should tell you why. And those numbers stopped 3 years ago. So if SM is really large and in charge but Cooley has the support of the other 3, and we know who they are, then yeah this is divisive and a distraction.

 

[Sportster 72]

You'll have to be the Cooley expert this year DGF. I used to drive an 1 1/2 home from work. That is no longer the case. I hear Cooley for about 10 minutes a day now. I drove around some country roads last Friday evening to listen to him to see if he agreed with my assessment of the last preseason game. He did.

Anyhow I did not hear him lobbying on the radio and had to go look up what dad said he did. It was news to me. I got my info from the Richmond Times. I think the reporter there is last name of Phillips. Could be wrong but I like him.

I think most know Robert is flawed. I think most know Cousins and McCoy are flawed. It seems the decision makers have decided to go with Robert down to the bitter end. Cali brought up a point in another thread about what does that do to the other "52" folks on the team. I think that can create a lot more divisiveness the Cooley wishing he could be a TE again. Then too this team has been dysfunctional since Snyder owned it so why would it change now.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Really happy to see you @Sportster 72

Missed seeing your posts this off season and have always valued your football opinions.

 

[Sportster 72]

Really happy to see you @Sportster 72

Missed seeing your posts this off season and have always valued your football opinions.

It appears I am back for more abuse. You missed nothing from me in the off season. I do not fancy myself a good evaluator of talent from college to the pros. It looks like I was right about Griffin, wrong about Wilson and Navorro has been better than I thought. Should have know, I watched him excel since he was in knee high to a grasshopper in boys club.

Sadly I don't hold out much hope for this team. Luckily I have two nephews playing college football and I find satisfaction there.

BTW .... it is nice chatting with you Cali.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

It appears I am back for more abuse. You missed nothing from me in the off season. I do not fancy myself a good evaluator of talent from college to the pros. It looks like I was right about Griffin, wrong about Wilson and Navorro has been better than I thought. Should have know, I watched him excel since he was in knee high to a grasshopper in boys club.

Sadly I don't hold out much hope for this team. Luckily I have two nephews playing college football and I find satisfaction there.

BTW .... it is nice chatting with you Cali.

Awesome news regarding your nephews! Must be absolutely amazing to see them play at that level.

In so far as talent evaluation...that sounds about right for most scouts too...heh

The beauty of opinions is that they are just that. Not wrong, right or necessarily objective.

Hopefully we won't abuse each other as fans too much...because it looks like we will have another adventure filled year as skins fans

 

[SoCalWizFan]

the redskins will be looking for a qb in the next draft if not 2 of them because frankly we have one that is a diva , one who cant take failure and overcome it and one who doesnt have the arm strength to execute at a pro level

Please - No! If all of the current QBs fail & the Redskins look to the draft for their next QB then just draft ONE QB. Pickup another vet QB who is clearly simply the bridge to the QB of the future. I don't want to go through another RG3 / Cousins type debate with this team.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So I listened to Cooley's breakdown and he actually was giving Willie Smith a pass. Said III changed the blocking on one of the plays that left the LB unblocked. OK fair enough but what about all the other times he got abused?

I used to really like Cooley on the radio. But his public lobbying for a tryout was really annoying. He's so thirsty for a taste again that it's ruining the show. And I am really having trouble with his breakdowns if he is so easy on Willie Fucking Smith.