Kotalik to play in Europe?

[CatScrap]

Sorry about the spelling. Had like 6 martinis tonight.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Sorry about the spelling. Had like 6 martinis tonight.

No problem Cat. Now go for a twelve pack !!

 

[CatScrap]

Tell you what pick me up, take me to chippawaw and I'll buy us 24.

 

[CatScrap]

If I can't spell, I have trouble reading too, which means speed limit signs say 95 not 65.

 

[Darkstone42]

I was wondering what happened in that last paragraph...

I agree, though. As far as I'm concerned, a contract is a two-way document. If a player, like Wade Redden for instance, stops performing at an NHL level, and thus the team moves him to the minor leagues, his salary should not count against the cap because it isn't the team's fault he stopped performing.

Beyond that, regardless of rules in place, teams with more money and/or savvier management will always have the advantage. Put new rules in place to keep teams from burying big contracts in the minors and the best front offices will work around it some other way. In my opinion, this sort of thing happens far too seldom for us to be terribly concerned about it anyway.

 

[CatScrap]

I was wondering what happened in that last paragraph...

I agree, though. As far as I'm concerned, a contract is a two-way document. If a player, like Wade Redden for instance, stops performing at an NHL level, and thus the team moves him to the minor leagues, his salary should not count against the cap because it isn't the team's fault he stopped performing.

Beyond that, regardless of rules in place, teams with more money and/or savvier management will always have the advantage. Put new rules in place to keep teams from burying big contracts in the minors and the best front offices will work around it some other way. In my opinion, this sort of thing happens far too seldom for us to be terribly concerned about it anyway.

Yeah, two things happened there. One Im a little tipsy from the sauce, and two I accidentally switched the spell checker over to German and it spit outa few German words on you guys. My wife uses that checker when she talks to some of her friends overseas.

 

[Darkstone42]

Yeah, two things happened there. One Im a little tipsy from the sauce, and two I accidentally switched the spell checker over to German and it spit outa few German words on you guys. My wife uses that checker when she talks to some of her friends overseas.

I thought I recognized some German. I was wondering if you were multilingual and just forgot momentarily which one you were speaking.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I was wondering what happened in that last paragraph...

I agree, though. As far as I'm concerned, a contract is a two-way document. If a player, like Wade Redden for instance, stops performing at an NHL level, and thus the team moves him to the minor leagues, his salary should not count against the cap because it isn't the team's fault he stopped performing.

Beyond that, regardless of rules in place, teams with more money and/or savvier management will always have the advantage. Put new rules in place to keep teams from burying big contracts in the minors and the best front offices will work around it some other way. In my opinion, this sort of thing happens far too seldom for us to be terribly concerned about it anyway.

How can you say signing Redden or Kotalik to their contracts was savy? My point is if a team signs a player to a contract & that player doesn't live up to the contract the team shouldn't be able to bury their mistake. They should have to pay a price for it.

 

[Darkstone42]

How can you say signing Redden or Kotalik to their contracts was savy? My point is if a team signs a player to a contract & that player doesn't live up to the contract the team shouldn't be able to bury their mistake. They should have to pay a price for it.

Contracts should be evaluated at the time they are signed. Any number of things could happen in the future. If you are hired by a company to work for $100,000 a year, and you don't do your job, they just fire you and don't owe you anything. Redden, Yashin, Kotalik, etc. did not live up to their contracts, and it's not on the team, in my opinion, to suffer for it.

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Contracts should be evaluated at the time they are signed. Any number of things could happen in the future. If you are hired by a company to work for $100,000 a year, and you don't do your job, they just fire you and don't owe you anything. Redden, Yashin, Kotalik, etc. did not live up to their contracts, and it's not on the team, in my opinion, to suffer for it.

It's going to be something the owners themselves will argue about in a big way because many teams feel it gives the big market teams a competitive edge. The next CBA won't just be about getting a deal done with the players. The owners aren't united on this issue & the same can probably be said about a hard cap floor & ceiling. It's going to be interesting to see how things turn out. I expect something to be done about burying players in the minors & Europe though. Far too many teams are pissed off about it.

 

[awaz]

It's going to be something the owners themselves will argue about in a big way because many teams feel it gives the big market teams a competitive edge. The next CBA won't just be about getting a deal done with the players. The owners aren't united on this issue & the same can probably be said about a hard cap floor & ceiling. It's going to be interesting to see how things turn out. I expect something to be done about burying players in the minors & Europe though. Far too many teams are pissed off about it.

honestly i dont see it changing, at least not a big change.. the group of owners that is disgruntled is going to fight this, and in order to accomodate them, they'll say 'ok well then we wont guarantee contracts, so players can be cut from teams'.. and then they'll take that to players and get a big ole 'no way' from them, and then the players will be united against a divided ownership group, resulting in the players having the upper hand..

and i still dont think it gives them that much of a competitive advantage though.. it basically lets them overpay people with a 'just in case' back up.. whereas small market teams overpay to begin with so they can reach the cap floor.. honestly, depending on how you look at it, it gives big market teams a fair shot at signing the middle of the road players, rather than all of them going to teams like florida for twice what they're worth, just so they can get to the cap floor

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

honestly i dont see it changing, at least not a big change.. the group of owners that is disgruntled is going to fight this, and in order to accomodate them, they'll say 'ok well then we wont guarantee contracts, so players can be cut from teams'.. and then they'll take that to players and get a big ole 'no way' from them, and then the players will be united against a divided ownership group, resulting in the players having the upper hand..

and i still dont think it gives them that much of a competitive advantage though.. it basically lets them overpay people with a 'just in case' back up.. whereas small market teams overpay to begin with so they can reach the cap floor.. honestly, depending on how you look at it, it gives big market teams a fair shot at signing the middle of the road players, rather than all of them going to teams like florida for twice what they're worth, just so they can get to the cap floor

I expect the cap floor & ceiling to go down & their be a hard cap for each after the next CBA agreement. These negotiations aren't going to be as easy as some believe.

 

[awaz]

I expect the cap floor & ceiling to go down & their be a hard cap for each after the next CBA agreement. These negotiations aren't going to be as easy as some believe.

i can definitely agree w/ that.. lets hope these guys dont screw up everything they've accomplished in the past few years

 

[The Soggy one]

ummmm kotalik my balls?? how did this not get said yet?