KEEPER LEAGUE: Better Career?

[The Foot]

LOL, treff I got a question for you. In your most objective opinion, which QB do you see having the better fantasy numbers for the next 3 years? Luck or Kaepernick?

 

[The Foot]

Actually this question is for everyone too, sorry about that.

 

[TREFF]

That probably deserves its own thread Foot..but not a bad question actually.

Straight up fantasy wise, 3 years? I'd go Kaeps..but Luck will be very good too.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Added to the list...............

Guess I shouldn't make a smart assed comment without adding something so.......oh hell I have nothing. This year Miller future I still say Bernard.

Guilt by association it shall be than...too bad.

I have not been around long enough.

 

[averagejoe]

LOL, treff I got a question for you. In your most objective opinion, which QB do you see having the better fantasy numbers for the next 3 years? Luck or Kaepernick?

Here's my knee-jerk answer. Luck. He's in a weaker division and Indy's run game is average at best. He'll have to throw. Kaps is talented but he also seems to be cocky, and cocky players don't seem to last long in the NFL.

 

[TREFF]

Here's my knee-jerk answer. Luck. He's in a weaker division and Indy's run game is average at best. He'll have to throw. Kaps is talented but he also seems to be cocky, and cocky players don't seem to last long in the NFL.

you never met John Elway...

 

[TREFF]

I have not been around long enough.

Lol..just a little friendly-sometimes not so friendly rivalry between me and the lower appendage

 

[SmokingMonkey]

cocky players don't seem to last long in the NFL

Steve Smith would like to argue that point.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Lol..just a little friendly-sometimes not so friendly rivalry between me and the lower appendage

Is there somebody named Dick in the league?

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Here's my knee-jerk answer. Luck. He's in a weaker division and Indy's run game is average at best. He'll have to throw. Kaps is talented but he also seems to be cocky, and cocky players don't seem to last long in the NFL.

I say Kaps first 3 years but it's close. In the end when their careers are over I would say Luck mows down Kaps in the stretch

 

[averagejoe]

you never met John Elway...

Didn't like Elway with the whole "don't want to be drafted by Baltimore." But I'll say this much for Elway, he was cocky with the NFL and the media off the field early on. But when he was on the field he was all business.

I did say it was a knee jerk response. Surprised no one brought up Owens or Chad Johnson. I guess I hope guys like that fail. I really can't say for sure who will do better.

 

[TREFF]

Didn't like Elway with the whole "don't want to be drafted by Baltimore." But I'll say this much for Elway, he was cocky with the NFL and the media off the field early on. But when he was on the field he was all business.

I did say it was a knee jerk response. Surprised no one brought up Owens or Chad Johnson. I guess I hope guys like that fail. I really can't say for sure who will do better.

Met Elway the offseason after TD's 2000yd season..guy was a complete DB

 

[Tubbs1518]

I have two very good reasons...#1. All but BJGE were 2nd yr or rookies last year #2 Marvin Lewis isn't exactly an offensive genius.

Marvin Lewis will always run a running based team. Always which is a plus for Bernard. I can see Miami going to more of a pass oriented offense.

 

[Tubbs1518]

The Bengals took Dalton to the playoffs, not the other way around, let's just get that clear for starters. He also has played like total shit in the playoffs the past 2 seasons, as well. I don't think he's a bad QB, but I don't think he has the potential Tennehill has. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see this guy being that great of a QB. The Bengals are absolutely loaded and should've gone further than they have the past 2 years. Perhaps Bernard is just the missing piece, which is very possible. I just watch him play against good defenses and he gets nothing on them. I know, he's young, and could improve, but he just seems like more of a game manager than a gamebreaker at QB.

That said, Bernard could very well end up being a PPR monster with all of the weapons the Bengals have that defenses have to be cognizant of. I just really like Miller for similar reasoning, and he is also bigger and just as explosive as Bernard.

Dalton was a HUGE part of the reason the Bengals made the playoffs. Yes the defense was great, but our run game was bad with BJGE. He averaged under 4 ypc. Don't act like Dalton didn't have anything to do with it. 63% 3,700 yards 26 TDs. They would have been a lot higher but Marv doesn't throw as much as other teams. When we get a lead we pound the ball which is a bonus for Bernard. And teams with game manager QB's run a lot more than teams with gamebreaker QBs.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Because Tannehill WAS on a talent drained team. It looks as if ownership down in MIA actually gives a shit now, as they've done a solid job surrounding him with some new talent (Wallace, Gibson when healthy, Keller), while also putting together a sneaky good defense. Cincy has better talent still, but the gap is WAY smaller now. Also, and to go back to the OP, I think Miller is a better RB than Bernard. He's a physical freak who is incredibly explosive. Bernard is also an explosive playmaker, but he's got a huge challenge in being a main bellcow sort of RB because of his small frame and short arms. He'll need another RB to supplement him, Miller won't. I could very well see Miller having a Doug Martin-esque season this year, to be honest. I'd compare those two in style in skillset, while Bernard reminds me more of a Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles - guys who will make plays and get catches, but you have to worry about consistent results. That is just my opinion, so don't take it as gospel. That's just how I see it right now.

Bernard - 5'9 210
Miller - 5'11 218
Rice - 5'8 212
Martin 5'9 215

I'd say Bernard is built more like Rice and Martin than the taller Miller is. Bernard has actually been compared to Ray Rice a lot. Not sure how he can't be a bell cow.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Bernard - 5'9 210
Miller - 5'11 218
Rice - 5'8 212
Martin 5'9 215

I'd say Bernard is built more like Rice and Martin than the taller Miller is. Bernard has actually been compared to Ray Rice a lot. Not sure how he can't be a bell cow.

I'm not talking about height and weight, I'm talking about skillset and frame. Martin and Miller could both easily play at 225, but I'd find it hard to see Bernard doing that. They have longer arms and larger frames. I'm not saying Bernard is a weak runner by any means, he just isn't as powerful as Miller and Martin in that regard. He tends to not get too many yards after contact. It seems like Cincy favors featuring a strong power running game as opposed to a wide open running game that is always dumping off to the RB. That can inhibit Bernard's potential, IMO. Miller and Martin are ideal for their systems, while Bernard is an excellent complement to his. As I said, this is just my opinion, but I'm basing it off of what I've seen.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'm not talking about height and weight, I'm talking about skillset and frame. Martin and Miller could both easily play at 225, but I'd find it hard to see Bernard doing that. They have longer arms and larger frames. I'm not saying Bernard is a weak runner by any means, he just isn't as powerful as Miller and Martin in that regard. He tends to not get too many yards after contact. It seems like Cincy favors featuring a strong power running game as opposed to a wide open running game that is always dumping off to the RB. That can inhibit Bernard's potential, IMO. Miller and Martin are ideal for their systems, while Bernard is an excellent complement to his. As I said, this is just my opinion, but I'm basing it off of what I've seen.

The WC scheme Cincy uses will probably get Bernard 50-60 catches a year. This year, Miller is a better bet. Long term I'd say Bernard will probably be one of the top in the league as far as total yards. Bernard can also return kicks and punts.

 

[Sox33OSU]

The WC scheme Cincy uses will probably get Bernard 50-60 catches a year. This year, Miller is a better bet. Long term I'd say Bernard will probably be one of the top in the league as far as total yards. Bernard can also return kicks and punts.

Ohh, so can Miller. As a Buckeye fan, I know that for sure. I personally think both will end up being solid backs, but I think Miller is going to be a more complete back. Of course, that could end up with durability issues (not a strong point for him), so there's a point in Bernard's favor. As far as Bernard's receiving total, where are you gonna find all of those catches with guys like Green, Eifert, Gresham, Sanu, Hawkins, etc. on the team? Has any Bengals RB ever had even close to that many catches? They've run the WC for 2 years now and haven't even come remotely close to that.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Ohh, so can Miller. As a Buckeye fan, I know that for sure. I personally think both will end up being solid backs, but I think Miller is going to be a more complete back. Of course, that could end up with durability issues (not a strong point for him), so there's a point in Bernard's favor. As far as Bernard's receiving total, where are you gonna find all of those catches with guys like Green, Eifert, Gresham, Sanu, Hawkins, etc. on the team? Has any Bengals RB ever had even close to that many catches? They've run the WC for 2 years now and haven't even come remotely close to that.

1. Miller isn't a great receiving threat. That was 1 knock on him coming out of college.

2. Sanu is a guy who hasn't proven anything. I'm not sure he can be a #2 WR. He doesn't have good speed or separation.

3. Hawkins is never going to be a feature player. He is too small and will be used much more situational next year IMO.

4. The reason no Bengals RB has had anywhere near that total is because they have never had a pass catching RB. BJGE can't and Scott, who was supposed to be that guy kept getting hurt and wasn't any good.

 

[Sox33OSU]

1. Miller isn't a great receiving threat. That was 1 knock on him coming out of college.

2. Sanu is a guy who hasn't proven anything. I'm not sure he can be a #2 WR. He doesn't have good speed or separation.

3. Hawkins is never going to be a feature player. He is too small and will be used much more situational next year IMO.

4. The reason no Bengals RB has had anywhere near that total is because they have never had a pass catching RB. BJGE can't and Scott, who was supposed to be that guy kept getting hurt and wasn't any good.

The knock wasn't his receiving ability, it was his pass pro skills. Those are still a potential worry, but not enough to keep him off the field.

You say Sanu hasn't proven anything, but what has Bernard proven to this point?

Hawkins is never going to be a feature player because there are tons of weapons there, but he's still IMO more likely to get 50 grabs than Bernard.

I always thought Scott would be that guy but yeah, he's a major disappointment.

There is still a lot to be shown from Dalton that he's going to be able to be that big a playmaker. The receiving totals you are suggesting for Bernard, though, are unrealistic for a while. Sproles is the best receiving RB in the league, and he's getting his catches on a team that constantly, constantly throws the ball. Andy Dalton is no Drew Brees. After Sproles, only one RB had 60 catches last year and that was Ray Rice, who is the undisputed feature back. There is nothing to suggest Marvin Lewis is gonna start throwing the ball nearly enough to get Bernard those sort of receiving numbers.