KC 4yrs 82 mil ?

[skinsdad62]

Should the Redskins Sign Kirk Cousins to 4-Year Deal Worth $82 Million?

you guys up for that ?

 

[j_y19]

Should the Redskins Sign Kirk Cousins to 4-Year Deal Worth $82 Million?

you guys up for that ?

Depends on the guaranteed portion. The overall number rarely matters as contracts rarely reach their maturity. Players either renegotiate or the get cut before the contract expires.

 

[Sharkinva]

I would actually prefer it a little longer if we are going to get into those number ranges...

But all in all... I could live with it.

 

[gkekoa]

Too much on the face but would probably be worth it.

 

[deanpet21]

I think Kc's deal should mimic Tannehill's deal.

 

[deanpet21]

Will Kirk Cousins’ new contract be a cap killer for the Redskins?

Good article. this is very fair. Cousins’ cap numbers would go up from year to year. Let’s say his deal is for four years and $72 million, an average of $18 million. After that first-year cap hit of $10 million the cap hits could go $17 million in 2017 and then $19 million and $21 million. The remaining $5 million could go into a dummy fifth year that is voidable and would create a dead cap charge in 2020.

 

[gkekoa]

Will Kirk Cousins’ new contract be a cap killer for the Redskins?

Good article. this is very fair. Cousins’ cap numbers would go up from year to year. Let’s say his deal is for four years and $72 million, an average of $18 million. After that first-year cap hit of $10 million the cap hits could go $17 million in 2017 and then $19 million and $21 million. The remaining $5 million could go into a dummy fifth year that is voidable and would create a dead cap charge in 2020.

That is every QB. That is the problem with these contracts...only a few QBs warrant them but everybody now gets paid like they are great. Eventually, the NFL will get these under control as well.

 

[Sharkinva]

That is every QB. That is the problem with these contracts...only a few QBs warrant them but everybody now gets paid like they are great. Eventually, the NFL will get these under control as well.

Not really. The NFL is a victim of its own success in this situation. They employee a group of people with a severely subjective skill set. They deal with a unionized labor force. They could try and take measures to control player salaries, but the contract they signed has them bound to shell out a certain portion of the profits to the players union. Sure they could try and lower QB salaries, but the union would simply strike and then the NFL actually stands to lose money. In the grand scheme of things, you over pay a QB by $10 million to facilitate each team making $500 million at the end of the day.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Big QB contracts strangle a team's cap, that's the only good thing about not having a good QB. I for the life of me can't understand how Denver has all those defensive stars while still absorbing Peyton's deal.

 

[Sharkinva]

Big QB contracts strangle a team's cap, that's the only good thing about not having a good QB. I for the life of me can't understand how Denver has all those defensive stars while still absorbing Peyton's deal.

Ten years ago when the cap only went up by 1-3 million a year maybe.

But now with the new rules and the fact that the cap has gone up by $10 million a year for the past three years, and is expected to go up by $13 million over last year. You combine that with the fact that unused cap space can now be rolled over....

All this says that those who had gotten used to crying the mantra of dont over pay, need to step into the reality of the new NFL Salary cap.

Also figure that if you have to spend 90% of the cap or risk being fined and stripped of draft picks, you are either going to have a few large contracts or alot of medium contracts.

 

[Breed]

Big QB contracts strangle a team's cap, that's the only good thing about not having a good QB. I for the life of me can't understand how Denver has all those defensive stars while still absorbing Peyton's deal.

The Broncos have a gang of FAs coming up in 2016.

2016 NFL Free Agents Tracker

Far as that potential contract for Cuz. Whaddya gonna do? I think those numbers are ridiculous. That's Brady/Rodgers/Manning at the top of his game/Big Ben money. All of them have put in seasons of work and have rings as well. Cuz had a good 8 game stretch or so, and still hasn't won a game against a team with a winning record his entire career. but it is what it is.

Why should NFL owners do anything to fix it. From a financial standpoint it doesn't hurt them at all.

 

[gkekoa]

Not really. The NFL is a victim of its own success in this situation. They employee a group of people with a severely subjective skill set. They deal with a unionized labor force. They could try and take measures to control player salaries, but the contract they signed has them bound to shell out a certain portion of the profits to the players union. Sure they could try and lower QB salaries, but the union would simply strike and then the NFL actually stands to lose money. In the grand scheme of things, you over pay a QB by $10 million to facilitate each team making $500 million at the end of the day.

They can lower the QB contracts while raising contracts of other players.

 

[Kevin12773]

All starting QB's get paid more than they're worth. Washington will be no different with Cousins as he will look overpaid on the surface but they need him and I'm ok with whatever he gets

 

[Manster7588]

They can lower the QB contracts while raising contracts of other players.

Problem is everytime you lower a contract to sign other players you add guaranteed money on the back end of the player "Giving you a Break"
Players don't simply take less the take the cut as guaranteed money three years later. The person who manages the cap for each team may have the toughest job in the organization.

 

[Manster7588]

All starting QB's get paid more than they're worth. Washington will be no different with Cousins as he will look overpaid on the surface but they need him and I'm ok with whatever he gets

This is the reason hitting on a first round QB who wins the job by year two can be contenders right away. They aren't paying the QB 1/5th of their cap money, and can afford talent elsewhere.

 

[Sharkinva]

Problem is everytime you lower a contract to sign other players you add guaranteed money on the back end of the player "Giving you a Break"
Players don't simply take less the take the cut as guaranteed money three years later. The person who manages the cap for each team may have the toughest job in the organization.

I think you are missing GK's point. He isnt talking about reworking a contract. He is basically saying he thinks that these guys are over paid period and that teams should start trying to lower the over all contract rate for any given position. He would have a Starting QB play for around $10-12 million per year, and to stay within the rules of the salary cap minimum spending, raise the amount that you pay other players. I think what he is hinting at is a system where in you have 53 players on a roster and a cap figure of $135 million spent, the average per year salary would be $2.55 million a year per player. Then when you get into the range of your stud players, they might make the $5-7 million per year average.

It kinda irks him that the market will dictate a guy like Cousins gets paid $20 million a year on average.

 

[Manster7588]

I think you are missing GK's point. He isnt talking about reworking a contract. He is basically saying he thinks that these guys are over paid period and that teams should start trying to lower the over all contract rate for any given position. He would have a Starting QB play for around $10-12 million per year, and to stay within the rules of the salary cap minimum spending, raise the amount that you pay other players. I think what he is hinting at is a system where in you have 53 players on a roster and a cap figure of $135 million spent, the average per year salary would be $2.55 million a year per player. Then when you get into the range of your stud players, they might make the $5-7 million per year average.

It kinda irks him that the market will dictate a guy like Cousins gets paid $20 million a year on average.

If that was his point yes I missed it and agree, but I read his post as redoing the QB's contract to free money for other players. It is SOP for all teams.

 

[Sharkinva]

If that was his point yes I missed it and agree, but I read his post as redoing the QB's contract to free money for other players. It is SOP for all teams.

GK is not a fan of redoing contracts. He also isnt a fan of the market dictating a contract value. If it comes to that, he would generally rather let a player walk than see the team pay what he considers to be an over payment. The problem is, the NFL isnt like any other business. Sure you can always find some one to play for cheaper, but at what point does it become a problem where you are always rebuilding because you feel that cheaper is better??

I have no qualms about the way the system works. Because in reality about 12% of the cap league wide is dead money. Throw in another 5-7% on players that technically are not considered dead money, but either did nothing to help the team, or just got paid to take up a roster spot.

Technically we carried $11.5 million in dead cap space last year. In reality it was more like $23 million once you factor in guys who got paid and did nothing but take up a roster spot.

My point is, the Cap is no longer the big bad monster that will hamper a team and leave a team to the point where they can not field a team. So Im over worrying about saving these billionaires a few dollars. And the reality is, any contract guy worth his salt can make the signings his team needs without fear of it hindering the team in the future. Gone are the days where a team does a deal that puts them over the cap for the forseeable future.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

All starting QB's get paid more than they're worth. Washington will be no different with Cousins as he will look overpaid on the surface but they need him and I'm ok with whatever he gets

That's a tough one...

I figure there's four pay levels of QB's...

Starter 15 mil+ a year. your 10% of the cap when they sign the deal.
Rookie deal - nuff said
Backup/temp QB (McCown, Sanchez, Hoyer)
Vet Min guys or close to it.

18 guys in that starter pay range currently, and those 18 account for all 33 of the playoff wins from the past 3 years. I think the only group you can win with any consistency is the rookie deal where they are playing worthy of that big contract, or the starter pay.

So I think they really are worth it. Take Cleveland the past 15 years, always have cap space, always able to offer Joe Thomas, Jamal Lewis, free agents, and all their own good players all the money they want, zero cap space worries there. Would they rather have that yearly 20 mil in cap space, or say "crap it's all tied up because we now have to pay Cam Newton".

Yeah if you are paying him 20 mil a year, you can't keep making a lot of salary mistakes and be ok. But I'd much rather be stuck tight against the cap like Seattle forced to pay my QB elite money than have all the cap space in the world like the Jags the past 5 or so years.

 

[j_y19]

I think you are missing GK's point. He isnt talking about reworking a contract. He is basically saying he thinks that these guys are over paid period and that teams should start trying to lower the over all contract rate for any given position. He would have a Starting QB play for around $10-12 million per year, and to stay within the rules of the salary cap minimum spending, raise the amount that you pay other players. I think what he is hinting at is a system where in you have 53 players on a roster and a cap figure of $135 million spent, the average per year salary would be $2.55 million a year per player. Then when you get into the range of your stud players, they might make the $5-7 million per year average.

It kinda irks him that the market will dictate a guy like Cousins gets paid $20 million a year on average.

That sounds great in theory. The reality is that it would take all 32 teams to collude to make that happen. As long as there is less than 32 franchise QBs in the league, then the laws of supply and demand take precedence and someone will be willing to pay more than the rest of the league wants.