Kaepernick vs. Teams in the Playoffs

[HammerDown]

Uh oh!

 

[JDM]

They need to stop pretending QBR means something.

 

[NinerSickness]

They need to stop pretending QBR means something.

And I say that no matter who's being discussed.

 

[Wolvie]

QBR is ridiculous. Last week in GB Kaep was 16/30 for 227 yards passing with 1 TD and 1 INT, yet his QBR was 88.8 because of 98 rushing yards

 

[HammerDown]

They need to stop pretending QBR means something.

So a QBR of 7.7 is no different than a QBR of 128?

It's interesting how many Patriots, 49ers and Saints fans decry the QBR but you never seem to hear Eagles or Broncos fans showing much concern.

 

[NinerSickness]

So a QBR of 7.7 is no different than a QBR of 128?

It's interesting how many Patriots, 49ers and Saints fans decry the QBR but you never seem to hear Eagles or Broncos fans showing much concern.

Kap had terrible games in those contests (they didn't mention his QBR against Green Bay for some reason), but if they want to have any credibility they should just cite his terrible QB rating in those games. Not QBR.

And Kaepernick's "QBR" has historically been pretty high (not that I give a crap about QBR).

 

[CaptainStubing]

Kap had terrible games in those contests (they didn't mention his QBR against Green Bay for some reason), but if they want to have any credibility they should just cite his terrible QB rating in those games. Not QBR.

And Kaepernick's "QBR" has historically been pretty high (not that I give a crap about QBR).

eh, to me, QB rating has just as many faults as QBR. Both need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's always better to just watch the game to know for sure how the player performed. The NFL, in general, is hard to measure in stats alone.

 

[NinerSickness]

eh, to me, QB rating has just as many faults as QBR. Both need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's always better to just watch the game to know for sure how the player performed. The NFL, in general, is hard to measure in stats alone.

QB rating is a good indicator of efficiency, but like any stat it's skewed over the course of the regular season by garbage yards, games where teams have already mailed it in at the end of the season, etc.

That's why I so heavily emphasize playoff performances.

 

[TDs3nOut]

They need to stop mentioning things like a "QBs record against teams in the playoffs". Much harder for even entire teams, let alone an individual player, to beat good rather than bad teams.

 

[NinerSickness]

They need to stop mentioning things like a "QBs record against teams in the playoffs". Much harder for even entire teams, let alone an individual player, to beat good rather than bad teams.

You just cited the reason they need to mention QB records in the playoffs more often. People give way too many craps about sometimes meaningless, regular-season wins & stats. Every stat in the playoffs matters.

 

[TDs3nOut]

You just cited the reason they need to mention QB records in the playoffs more often. People give way too many craps about sometimes meaningless, regular-season wins & stats. Every stat in the playoffs matters.

Because the 9er's record in the playoffs, even more so than in the playoffs, better reflects how the QB plays than how the team plays? I disagree. Consider, for example, the NO win at Philly last week. Clearly they won that game more so because of their ability to run the ball and defend than they did because of Brees.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Did Kaepernic beat GB or did the 9ers beat them?

 

[NinerSickness]

Did Kaepernic beat GB or did the 9ers beat them?

Both.

The Win-Loss record doesn't tell the whole story, but a QB's postseason stats (especially passer rating that takes a lot of different aspects into consideration) will be a really good indication of how well he's done after about 4 or 5 postseason games (if he even plays that many).

 

[WizardHawk]

Did Kaepernic beat GB or did the 9ers beat them?

Jack Frost beat them.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Both.

The Win-Loss record doesn't tell the whole story, but a QB's postseason stats (especially passer rating that takes a lot of different aspects into consideration) will be a really good indication of how well he's done after about 4 or 5 postseason games (if he even plays that many).

Well, I happen to think it's dumb to ascribe a team stat (W/L) to a QB or any other individual player. Both NFC games last week are good examples of why that is so, since the QBs on the losing teams played better than the QBs on the winning teams in both games.

 

[bocomo007]

Well, I happen to think it's dumb to ascribe a team stat (W/L) to a QB or any other individual player. Both NFC games last week are good examples of why that is so, since the QBs on the losing teams played better than the QBs on the winning teams in both games.

 

[NinerSickness]

Well, I happen to think it's dumb to ascribe a team stat (W/L) to a QB or any other individual player. Both NFC games last week are good examples of why that is so, since the QBs on the losing teams played better than the QBs on the winning teams in both games.

It's dumb if that's the only aspect at which people look, but ignoring the W / L record altogether is dumb as well IMO. A QB's performance in the postseason is probably the single biggest factor that determines whether the team wins or not.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[RoboticDreams]

Well, I happen to think it's dumb to ascribe a team stat (W/L) to a QB or any other individual player. Both NFC games last week are good examples of why that is so, since the QBs on the losing teams played better than the QBs on the winning teams in both games.

Then let's see Denvers W/L record without Manning. I bet you will feel a smidge differently.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Then let's see Denvers W/L record without Manning. I bet you will feel a smidge differently.

Why would I feel differently about that? Denver is obviously a much better team that wins a lot more games with PFM as its QB, but he doesn't win or lose games all by himself. My objection to applying the W/L stat to the QB is simply that W/L is the ultimate team stat in the ultimate team sport.

Again, can anyone explain why Kaepernic or Brees, two QBs whose teams won last week, despite being outplayed by Rodgers and Foles, respectively, should be credited with a W and the losing QBs should get an L? Makes no sense.