Junior Gallette wants to come back on a one-year prove-it deal for $7M to $9M.

[Sharkinva]

Exactly...all the new personal conduct policies reduce his value. He has had too many problems to treat like a saint...forgive the pun.

10 sacks for two years doesn't make you a game changer...teams do not fear Galette. They do not game plan for Galette.

The personal conduct policy devalues ALL players. Unless a guy is a home body that does NOTHING outside of work and go home, any of these guys can fall short of Godstopo's wrath.

And really, you dont think teams were game planning against the Saints sack leader??

 

[gkekoa]

So wait, he put himself in these situations?? OK granted the first incident... avoidable by actually knowing the types of people that come to your house.

But the second was on a public beach. So in order to avoid putting himself in situations like this, he should NEVER go out in public??

And how is a guy that averaged 11 sacks a season for his last two years of playing time NOT a game changer exactly??

And hell Im proud of you, at least you give the man SOME credit by saying $3 million. Not long ago you would have said Vet Minimum prove it deal. Baby steps.

2013 video emerges of man identified as Saints' Junior Galette striking woman with belt; NFL, team aware of incident

Watch the video on the beach. We don't know why the fight started but him hitting the woman was not needed. Then he hits her when she is on the ground. Avoidable.

Teams don't game plan against Galette. He is just another guy. Good player, not great.

Actually, I am seldom a league minimum guy. I am a worth guy and look at all things. I offer league minimum to guys that have a high low peobability of helping. Back when we were on ESPN, I would have given Riley 4 mil per season and RAK 7 mil. People were calling that a low ball. Sounds about right to me.

 

[gkekoa]

The personal conduct policy devalues ALL players. Unless a guy is a home body that does NOTHING outside of work and go home, any of these guys can fall short of Godstopo's wrath.

And really, you dont think teams were game planning against the Saints sack leader??

Not in the least. Do you think we would give Trent help against Galette or shade that help inside? Trent would kill Galette.

 

[Sharkinva]

2013 video emerges of man identified as Saints' Junior Galette striking woman with belt; NFL, team aware of incident

Watch the video on the beach. We don't know why the fight started but him hitting the woman was not needed. Then he hits her when she is on the ground. Avoidable.

Teams don't game plan against Galette. He is just another guy. Good player, not great.

Actually, I am seldom a league minimum guy. I am a worth guy and look at all things. I offer league minimum to guys that have a high low peobability of helping. Back when we were on ESPN, I would have given Riley 4 mil per season and RAK 7 mil. People were calling that a low ball. Sounds about right to me.

As far as the video goes, the woman lost all protection in my book when SHE went after him. You do notice he swung at her the first time when she came at him. Or should he just stand there and take it because she was a she?? As i have said before, I dont condone just hitting women. But if you are woman enough to attack a man, then be man enough to take it if he should in fact defend himself.

And I get the worth argument. But its funny how if a guy shows his worth and then decides he wants to renegotiate his contract because he is worth MORE than what he was getting paid, people act as if he is in the wrong.

 

[gkekoa]

Show me where she attacked him. Does anybody else see it?

Actually, I think renegotiation is wrong, period. The contract is the contract...this goes for voiding contracts as well...unless it is built into the contract. I think that would lead to more deserving contracts and a better game.

 

[Sharkinva]

Show me where she attacked him. Does anybody else see it?

Actually, I think renegotiation is wrong, period. The contract is the contract...this goes for voiding contracts as well...unless it is built into the contract. I think that would lead to more deserving contracts and a better game.

She came at him. IN ANY court of law, in that situation he was justified in presuming she was furthering the attack her friend had just made on him. And he would be just as justified in defending himself.

I think your concept on contracts is a pipe dream and would never work under the salary cap. That might have worked in the 70's. But then again if you go back to those days, you also wouldnt have free agency at all. And it would lead to a diluted game because you would end up with player strikes, owner lockouts.. or a situation where you have the haves and have nots. Kinda like Baseball.

 

[Sharkinva]

Also as a side note.. .you do realize that the guy punching the woman on the ground is a DIFFERENT person than the one they are saying is Gallette right??

Surely you are not saying they all look alike are you?

 

[gkekoa]

Court of law and public opinion are two different things. The first hit by Galette puts her on the ground and he keeps going.

 

[Sharkinva]

Court of law and public opinion are two different things. The first hit by Galette puts her on the ground and he keeps going.

Court of LAW says innocent until proven guilty. And as no one has proven that it was even him, I think people will let their predetermined bias shape their opinions.

Public Opinion used to be, you attacked some one they have a RIGHT to defend themselves.... when did this get amended to unless you are a woman. Then you can go about attacking any one you want and if they defend themselves they are in the wrong??

 

[gkekoa]

Nobody said he was convicted but incidents like this hurt the business that is the NFL. the court of public opinion says Galette was wrong. The woman never attacks Galette. Do you see her swinging at him?

 

[Sharkinva]

Nobody said he was convicted but incidents like this hurt the business that is the NFL. the court of public opinion says Galette was wrong. The woman never attacks Galette. Do you see her swinging at him?

Dont take this the wrong way. But Im going to hazard a guess to say you arent black?? Or were never in the military. If some one walks up to you in a threatening manor with their fists raised, that is usually a preemptive move towards an attack. You do see her raising her fists up as she walks towards him right??

As far as hurting the NFL... please dude. Greg Hardy slammed a woman down on a bed of assault rifles.... THATS beating a woman. Hell Even Ray Rice knocking his wife out was uncalled for (although once again I will point out, she came at him first).

You heard he was accused of domestic violence, then heard he hit a woman with a belt and passed judgement on him plain and simple. We have no idea HOW the fight started, but because he is male and a football player, some have assumed it was all his fault.

Nice.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

How do you justify the tweets and comments Galette made via the GFs account after being let go by the Saints? Clown show IMO.

 

[gkekoa]

Dont take this the wrong way. But Im going to hazard a guess to say you arent black?? Or were never in the military. If some one walks up to you in a threatening manor with their fists raised, that is usually a preemptive move towards an attack. You do see her raising her fists up as she walks towards him right??

As far as hurting the NFL... please dude. Greg Hardy slammed a woman down on a bed of assault rifles.... THATS beating a woman. Hell Even Ray Rice knocking his wife out was uncalled for (although once again I will point out, she came at him first).

You heard he was accused of domestic violence, then heard he hit a woman with a belt and passed judgement on him plain and simple. We have no idea HOW the fight started, but because he is male and a football player, some have assumed it was all his fault.

Nice.

What does race have to do with anything? She was not a threat to Galette. I was in the military and it isn't the same thing. It is like North Korea and all their posturing. Are we really worried about them inflicting harm?

I will defend Ray Rice. She was asking for it...literally.

Did I say it was all his fault? His actions toward the woman in the video are all on him. He didn't just hit her once...he hit her a couple of times and she went down after one hit. The one at his house, I don't hold against him at all and realistically, I don't hold this one on the beach against him. I do hold the current NFL climate against him because of his infractions and what his bad choices could cost this team. Image does matter in business.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I was a bit uncomfortable when they signed him, thought SM was going back on his word a bit about only high character guys. And I have not seen the tweets Cali is referring to. But it's been a year now and he paid a big price when the Saints cut him, costing him millions. So all my comments are strictly from a football, not social, perspective.

And from a football standpoint he may not be a total game changer but he is not going to be paid like one either. But he is an effective player with a skill that is highly valued. Valued enough for the Saints to offer him such a big deal. So if we can sign that guy at a fraction of market cost this is an easy call, not sure why any fan would have a problem with it. Again speaking strictly from a football perspective. We heard a lot of comments from coaches who felt his injury really hurt the defense's plan made out before camp.

 

[Sharkinva]

What does race have to do with anything? She was not a threat to Galette. I was in the military and it isn't the same thing. It is like North Korea and all their posturing. Are we really worried about them inflicting harm?

I will defend Ray Rice. She was asking for it...literally.

Did I say it was all his fault? His actions toward the woman in the video are all on him. He didn't just hit her once...he hit her a couple of times and she went down after one hit. The one at his house, I don't hold against him at all and realistically, I don't hold this one on the beach against him. I do hold the current NFL climate against him because of his infractions and what his bad choices could cost this team. Image does matter in business.

Actually race does have a tad bit to do with it. Lets just call it growing up in a different environment tends to change how one might deal with that kind of situation.

But again, you are asking a man who is for all intents and purposes being JUMPED, to restrain himself because one of his attackers happened to be a woman.

I totally get your point on how his image is already tarnished and he MIGHT cost the team some grief if he were to get suspended again. But that holds little water because in the grand scheme of things, if he is suspended by the league, its without pay and that money does NOT get charged to our cap.

SO bottom line is, say we sign him to a $14 million dollar deal fully guaranteed today. He bitch slaps Hillary Clinton tomorrow on national TV, and gets suspended indefinitely a week later..... Aside from the public image aspect of HOW could the Skins support a guy like that... end game it costs us $0 in money or cap space.

 

[gkekoa]

Actually race does have a tad bit to do with it. Lets just call it growing up in a different environment tends to change how one might deal with that kind of situation.

But again, you are asking a man who is for all intents and purposes being JUMPED, to restrain himself because one of his attackers happened to be a woman.

I totally get your point on how his image is already tarnished and he MIGHT cost the team some grief if he were to get suspended again. But that holds little water because in the grand scheme of things, if he is suspended by the league, its without pay and that money does NOT get charged to our cap.

SO bottom line is, say we sign him to a $14 million dollar deal fully guaranteed today. He bitch slaps Hillary Clinton tomorrow on national TV, and gets suspended indefinitely a week later..... Aside from the public image aspect of HOW could the Skins support a guy like that... end game it costs us $0 in money or cap space.

Do you believe there is a right and wrong or is morality 100% cultural?

I am asking him to restrain himself from hitting a woman because he is a 270 pound man and the woman can do little damage to him. She didn't even swing. Then I would ask for that man to not continue to hit her when she is on the ground. All of this is after the initial confrontation. I also inderstand heat of the moment type of things and that is why I don't necessarily hold it against him on a personal level.

If he is suspended, his signing bonus still counts against us...I do believe. I would pay to see him slap Killary.

 

[Sharkinva]

Do you believe there is a right and wrong or is morality 100% cultural?

I am asking him to restrain himself from hitting a woman because he is a 270 pound man and the woman can do little damage to him. She didn't even swing. Then I would ask for that man to not continue to hit her when she is on the ground. All of this is after the initial confrontation. I also inderstand heat of the moment type of things and that is why I don't necessarily hold it against him on a personal level.

If he is suspended, his signing bonus still counts against us...I do believe. I would pay to see him slap Killary.

I think aside from certain capitol crimes right and wrong is totally subjective based on the individual and the culture. Case in point, its perfectly all right here in the US for us to eat Cows, Pigs and anything else we choose.. well except dogs and cats. You go to India and Cows are off the menu. Go to the Philippines, and Rover is whats for dinner.

And yes his signing bonus would count. But do you really see him getting a signing bonus that would be anything more than a blip on the radar?? On a $3 million dollar prove it deal with incentives, the most his signing bonus could be is $1.5 million.

 

[gkekoa]

That isn't morality. That is lack of freedom. Morality would be beating your wife or your neighbor because you are a bad ass. You are saying it is Ok for a black dude to start a fight because he thinks the other person is starting a fight...preemptive strike because of culture. So what if a white guy does the preemptive strike? Where does this end on perception?

He wants 7 to 9 million per year, not three million. I am all for incentive laden contracts but few are. Incentive laden contracts are the best way to pay a player their actual value. Players do not do this because there is no protection for them. Very few contracts have behavioral outs for franchises.

 

[Sharkinva]

That isn't morality. That is lack of freedom. Morality would be beating your wife or your neighbor because you are a bad ass. You are saying it is Ok for a black dude to start a fight because he thinks the other person is starting a fight...preemptive strike because of culture. So what if a white guy does the preemptive strike? Where does this end on perception?

He wants 7 to 9 million per year, not three million. I am all for incentive laden contracts but few are. Incentive laden contracts are the best way to pay a player their actual value. Players do not do this because there is no protection for them. Very few contracts have behavioral outs for franchises.

As to point one, morality is nothing more or less than a socially agreed upon set of acceptable behaviors. Whats moral here in the US, is totally reprehensible in other locals. Now as far as what you accept as right or wrong, is totally based upon your upbringing and social surroundings. White guys do preemptive strikes all the time, or do you think a cop shooting some one because he THOUGHT the person was reaching for a gun and it turned out they had a snickers bar in their pocket is not a preemptive strike?? And no IM not saying its ok for a Black guy or a white guy. I am saying that a black guy growing up in SE DC might tend to be a bit more confrontational. Or a kid who grew up in Haiti for that matter if you have never actually been there. Might have learned different conditioned responses than say a kid who grew up in Beverly Hills.


As to point two, I want to make $1 billion per year. I think Im worth it. But in the end Im going to settle for considerably less. And the problem with incentive based contracts is that it gives the team too much leverage to possibly make sure those incentives dont get hit. Say he gets an incentive for a $3 million dollar bonus if he gets 10 sacks in the season. The team is 11-4 going into week 17 and he has 8 sacks. Teams have been known to sit guys knowing full well it means they might not, and in some cases surely wont be able to hit said named incentive if they sit week 17.

 

[gkekoa]

So now we are on the cops shoot black people thing? More whites are killed by cops yearly than blacks and I am happy with that too. Show me the black guy that was doing nothing wrong and reached for a candy bar and was killed by the cops.

Do you think society should have different standards or should certain cultures change?

Apply those instances into the contract to protect the player. I have already stated I would give Galette 3 million but that isn't what this thread was about.