Jim Haslett

[skinsdad62]

Just out of curiosity, how to you measure that Dan has gotten better?

I would agree that it appears he has changed, but there is still major disfunction with this franchise, as there has been since he took over. He is the only constant during his ownership.

i believe he let shanahan run the franchise the way he wanted too

the dysfunction can be traced to shanny himself in a lot of cases

now you havent said anything about this but i am addressing something

if you believe snyder cant change or wont change based on his past then how does haslett suddenly become a good DC based on his past ?

some of you think haslett was hamstrung by shanny and believe he is a good DC . i say he has a record of mediocrity lasting as long if not longer then snyders dysfunction , yet haslett gets a pass on his past but snyder doesnt

i am not a snyder fan but i think his first few years as owner control his whole perception

to me so far i think the skins picked a good young HC if he gets the time to implement his system and get his players i think we have a strong chance to have gotten a gem

 

[j_y19]

I am concerned about Haslett for all of the reasons you have pointe out. He has never been a successful DC.

No doubt shanahan turned out to be a bit of a head case and introduced his own kind of dysfunction. But I'm not ready to claim dan as cured. He has taken a much lower key approach in the last few years, so that is good. But somehow he fosters and environment that is not conducive to the running of a successful franchise. Furthermore, he has turned out to be a piss poor judge of talent, both at the player level and the HC level. Part of it might be related to the fact that many qualified candidates just want nothing to do with him and the circus that this franchise has turned into.

Unfortunately for me, I've been a fan for well over 40 years, so I can't just find another team. This is my team, through thick and thin.

 

[Sportster 72]

Not sure why our opinions are considered whining if they don't agree with others.

As I have often said I hope I am wrong. I hope Allen and Gruden do a great job. After 15 years of Snyder I'll believe it when they turn this franchise around. Until then I am going to have a healthy dose of skepticism.

 

[Sharkinva]

IM just curious as to how any one can say Haslett didnt get the short end of the stick in the whole dynamic of the thing. In draft picks alone over the past 4 years we used 22 draft picks on the offense to 14 that we used on the defense. And that doesnt even begin to factor in what we spent in FA on the offense vs the defense. Never said Haslett was a great coach, but realistically he could have fielded a decent (11-20 range defense) if he actually had the players to pull it off.

And since we are living off of stats, the deference between the #10 defense and us last season was a whooping 20.7 yards per game and 5.6 points per game. And considering what our Special teams and offense gave up in terms of points.... we were not that far off from what many would consider acceptable in spite of how horrible a DC Haslett apparently is.

 

[gkekoa]

IM just curious as to how any one can say Haslett didnt get the short end of the stick in the whole dynamic of the thing. In draft picks alone over the past 4 years we used 22 draft picks on the offense to 14 that we used on the defense. And that doesnt even begin to factor in what we spent in FA on the offense vs the defense. Never said Haslett was a great coach, but realistically he could have fielded a decent (11-20 range defense) if he actually had the players to pull it off.

And since we are living off of stats, the deference between the #10 defense and us last season was a whooping 20.7 yards per game and 5.6 points per game. And considering what our Special teams and offense gave up in terms of points.... we were not that far off from what many would consider acceptable in spite of how horrible a DC Haslett apparently is.

Hold on. Show me what we spent on FAs on offense versus what we spent on defense.

We brought in Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Josh Wilson, and Brandon Merriweather. Who did we bring in for offense to match this...Garcon, Morgan, Chester, and Lichtensteiger?

We also didn't have 36 picks over the last 4 years. That would be 9/season. Your math is a bit fuzzy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Hold on. Show me what we spent on FAs on offense versus what we spent on defense.

We brought in Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Josh Wilson, and Brandon Merriweather. Who did we bring in for offense to match this...Garcon, Morgan, Chester, and Lichtensteiger?

We also didn't have 36 picks over the last 4 years. That would be 9/season. Your math is a bit fuzzy.

Actually my math is spot on, but if you would like to check... here you go

2014 NFL Draft Pick History and Results - National Football League - ESPN

Do the math... including the extra picks we gave up for RG3 in 2012 and 2013, we have used 22 picks on offense. 14 picks on defense over that same time span. 2010-2013 drafts.

As for what we spent on FA

Defense we signed Coefield for 6 years 36 million, Bowen for 5 years 27 carriker for 4/20 and Merriweather 2/6

Offense Garcon 5/42, Chester 5/20, Morgan 2/11 DAvis came out to 2 years/ 8 million roughly

 

[Tdog21Skins]

Yeah Spurrier was good, but good at what level? Yeah that's right the College level, he came to the NFL and sucked. As for Marty Schottenhiemer he only had 1 year, then he was fired because Dan Snyder wanted Jimmy Raye fired.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yeah Spurrier was good, but good at what level? Yeah that's right the College level, he came to the NFL and sucked. As for Marty Schottenhiemer he only had 1 year, then he was fired because Dan Snyder wanted Jimmy Raye fired.

Lets not get it too far twisted. Snyder wanted exciting football in DC. Martyball (Rock solid defense, winning 14-9) was not Danny's cup of tea. There is a reason why we have not hired another defense minded coach since Marty. And you cant say well a college coach cant be good in the NFL. Pete Carrol and Chip Kelly put that myth to shame.

 

[skinsdad62]

IM just curious as to how any one can say Haslett didnt get the short end of the stick in the whole dynamic of the thing. In draft picks alone over the past 4 years we used 22 draft picks on the offense to 14 that we used on the defense. And that doesnt even begin to factor in what we spent in FA on the offense vs the defense. Never said Haslett was a great coach, but realistically he could have fielded a decent (11-20 range defense) if he actually had the players to pull it off.

And since we are living off of stats, the deference between the #10 defense and us last season was a whooping 20.7 yards per game and 5.6 points per game. And considering what our Special teams and offense gave up in terms of points.... we were not that far off from what many would consider acceptable in spite of how horrible a DC Haslett apparently is.

didnt haslett take over a team with several years in a row with a top ten defense ?

and the bottom 3rd is the bottom 3rd isnt it ?

 

[Sharkinva]

didnt haslett take over a team with several years in a row with a top ten defense ?

and the bottom 3rd is the bottom 3rd isnt it ?

He also was mandated to change schemes his first year here. And I think you are full of it with the whole bottom third thing. I admit the defense has gotten worse in yards and even points. But you have to admit the talent in the secondary has also slowly gotten worse since he has been here. And as you like to point out that Shanahan was always the man in charge, you cant blame Haslett for what he had to work with.

And you point out we had a top ten defense all those years... what did it get us??

 

[skinsdad62]

He also was mandated to change schemes his first year here. And I think you are full of it with the whole bottom third thing. I admit the defense has gotten worse in yards and even points. But you have to admit the talent in the secondary has also slowly gotten worse since he has been here. And as you like to point out that Shanahan was always the man in charge, you cant blame Haslett for what he had to work with.

And you point out we had a top ten defense all those years... what did it get us??

again shanny wasnt handcuffing him before so what is the excuse then ?

hasletts defenses have consistently been in the bottom 3rd no matter where he has coached and i have posted it before

 

[Sharkinva]

again shanny wasnt handcuffing him before so what is the excuse then ?

hasletts defenses have consistently been in the bottom 3rd no matter where he has coached and i have posted it before

and like I said.. where did those top ten in yards defenses get us?? I know you wanted him fired, but deep down we both know a total coaching change would have been a huge mistake. You wanted Shanahan gone to save the Golden ones rep and ego. The price was Haslett staying.

 

[gkekoa]

Actually my math is spot on, but if you would like to check... here you go

2014 NFL Draft Pick History and Results - National Football League - ESPN

Do the math... including the extra picks we gave up for RG3 in 2012 and 2013, we have used 22 picks on offense. 14 picks on defense over that same time span. 2010-2013 drafts.

As for what we spent on FA

Defense we signed Coefield for 6 years 36 million, Bowen for 5 years 27 carriker for 4/20 and Merriweather 2/6

Offense Garcon 5/42, Chester 5/20, Morgan 2/11 DAvis came out to 2 years/ 8 million roughly

That's 89 million on defense and 81 million on offense. Why aren't you adding in LFB resign if you are counting Davis and now Deangelo Hall? Because it doesn't fit your argument. We have spent more in FA on defense than offense...you just proved that point.

2013 draft- 4 defense, 3 offense
2012 draft- 6 offense, 3 defense
2011 draft- 6 offense, 7 defense
2010 draft- 5 offense, 1 defense

I stand corrected on the draft numbers. That being said, the higher draft picks have been spread equally on offense and defense...and that is what really matters. Also take into consideration we have to bring in offensive players that fit the blocking scheme that Shanahan runs.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's 89 million on defense and 81 million on offense. Why aren't you adding in LFB resign if you are counting Davis and now Deangelo Hall? Because it doesn't fit your argument. We have spent more in FA on defense than offense...you just proved that point.

2013 draft- 4 defense, 3 offense
2012 draft- 6 offense, 3 defense
2011 draft- 6 offense, 7 defense
2010 draft- 5 offense, 1 defense

I stand corrected on the draft numbers. That being said, the higher draft picks have been spread equally on offense and defense...and that is what really matters. Also take into consideration we have to bring in offensive players that fit the blocking scheme that Shanahan runs.

I also didnt want to add trent Williams to that list at 6 years 60 million because he was drafted not a FA. But its funny that inspite of deals for guys like Coefield. LFB and who ever else you want to mention.. last year we spent 53 million on Offense to $45 million on defense. And there has been a trend over the last three years that sort of matches us actually spending more on offense than defense. And its shown on the field.

 

[gkekoa]

I also didnt want to add trent Williams to that list at 6 years 60 million because he was drafted not a FA. But its funny that inspite of deals for guys like Coefield. LFB and who ever else you want to mention.. last year we spent 53 million on Offense to $45 million on defense. And there has been a trend over the last three years that sort of matches us actually spending more on offense than defense. And its shown on the field.

There isn't a single good team that doesn't have that problem. The most expensive position on most teams...QB

The second most expensive position is OT.

You also make it sound like that's a big difference.

 

[Sharkinva]

There isn't a single good team that doesn't have that problem. The most expensive position on most teams...QB

The second most expensive position is OT.

You also make it sound like that's a big difference.

The big difference is in the quality of the players we have brought in on offense vs defense. On offense we went out and got guys like Garcon, we carried more WRs than any team ever has a need to. Hell we carried seven WRs for a season in 2012. .SEVEN. And yet in the secondary we had guys like Mediue Williams starting. Any one who looks at it realistically would realize that Shanahan treated the defense like a step child more often than not.

 

[HammerDown]

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I was wondering why/how this thread got bumped. Interesting reading of posts I wasn't here to see. Also love you new avatar Shark.

So he's now a consultant at Pedd State. LOL.

 

[skinsdad62]

well i hate to say it ....... but i was right about hazmat , he stunk up the joint yet again and followed his career progression . now he is a consultant at PSU we finished yet again in the bottom 3rd of defenses