Jayden Daniels ~ ‘that’s our QB’

[deanpet21]

I'm not disagreeing with you Dean,but let me ask... if you knew for certain that you were getting the QB for the next 10 to 12 years but you had to trade up in the draft to get him, would you do it?
That's question #1
Question #2, how far up in a draft would you go in order to get "that guy?"

Yes, b/c if you know he is going to be a stud you trade draft capital, but the issue is no one really knows. The fact that we got JD5 for no extra draft capital is huge. I supported the RG3 trade at the time b/c we were so desperate and needed to land the franchise QB

 

[j_y19]

Completely agree!
The caveat is knowing what to do after you get the QB. There have been many talented guys drafted into the league and the difference between then having successful careers and being a bust is the team/organization that drafted them.

There is no doubt that more rookie QBs have had their careers derailed by teams that rush them to play before they are ready. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of free agency. Teams no longer have the luxury of time to develop these players. If a player is drafted high, they are expected to be NFL capable, if not NFL ready. I will say this, the cream rises to the top. Some prove they are, most don’t. The real question is were they over drafted just because they were QBs? In most cases, the answer is yes.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I had to ask!
That's a really long running debate over a misunderstanding!

Hard to say. I made my case and Dad somehow came to the conclussion that I said it was essential to have an elite QB or you will never win a Super Bowl. Of course I never said that, never said it has to be Patrick Mahomes, I just pointed out that the vast majority of teams who have had lasting success and consistant seasons in contention had a top level QB and the teams that did win a title with a mediocre QB had that mediocre QB playing at a high level during their playoff runs but it was not sustainable so this is not the way to go.

But at times the facts don't seem to matter to Dad which is why I chose not to engage with him anymore.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Nope, not me. I said one could argue it was possible, based on evidence. Never endorsed it as the best method to building a SB winning team, let alone a perennial winner.

I saw you had quoted Dad with something like "could not have said it bettter" so it was a natural assumption that you too believed you can get by with a mediocre QB. I didn't see his post so sorry if I had that wrong.

So who is left on this ledge other than Dad?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Wild Card Weekend vs Tampa Bay (believe last time was when Wilson beat us in the RG3 PTSD knee horror show game)

 

[skinsdad62]

DGF again not understanding that avg doesn’t mean mediocre

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[skinsdad62]

Is anyone prepared to argue that we would be 12-5 and heading to the playoffs if we did not have Jayden Daniels? And to think we debated for years the need for a top QB. The argument that you can win the Super Bowl with an average game manager provided you have a good enough roster is simply not based on the evidence. The QB makes all the difference in the world and if you don't have a top QB you are working with a huge disadvantage.

This is his quote . He said this . I gave 4 examples showing it can and did happen

 

[j_y19]

I saw you had quoted Dad with something like "could not have said it bettter" so it was a natural assumption that you too believed you can get by with a mediocre QB. I didn't see his post so sorry if I had that wrong.

So who is left on this ledge other than Dad?

I think you have misinterpreted what Dad said.

 

[j_y19]

This is his quote . He said this . I gave 4 examples showing it can and did happen

And it can happen, as he has shown. Doesn’t mean he endorses that strategy.

 

[Stymietee]

There is no doubt that more rookie QBs have had their careers derailed by teams that rush them to play before they are ready. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of free agency. Teams no longer have the luxury of time to develop these players. If a player is drafted high, they are expected to be NFL capable, if not NFL ready. I will say this, the cream rises to the top. Some prove they are, most don’t. The real question is were they over drafted just because they were QBs? In most cases, the answer is yes.

I don't believe that it's a matter of playing them too soon. To me, it's organizational build... the current situation in Washington not withstanding, bad teams select high because they are personel light. These young draftees come from programs that usually have high caliber stars playing along with them, therefore when they come into the NFL and that roster is worse than what made him successful he struggles. It's difficult enough to get "that guy," but asking him to elevate the play of those around him is often too much to saddle a young dude with, so he struggles and is on the fast track to becoming a "bust." Now, if you give him that supporting cast and he struggles, that's on him, and support for my years long insistence that this team needed a dedicated GM.
JD5 is that ultra rare kind... he done more with less than any QB in the league this year.

 

[skinsdad62]

And it can happen, as he has shown. Doesn’t mean he endorses that strategy.

When this conversation started years ago it was as about whether we should trade up yo get a qb . I said no

I also said you can win with a KC if you build a team around him . It’s a harder way to do it but it’s hard to find an elite qb .

As it turns out people dig their heels in ( me included) and opinions and facts get skewed

So for the record having a great qb makes life easier . He can erase a lot of things but the fact is Joe Gibbs led our team to its best era in team history with not 1 , not 2 , but 3 avg qbs . Not one of them could pick up a team and carry them on HIS back .

That is fact and it has been demonstrated to work

Next week we go up against Goff , a good qb but certainly not elite . He has a good team built around him and he had the rams in a superbowl and has had the lions in contention for one , so yes it can be done

Now we have the good Goff , Hurtz and Sam freaking Darnold all on the presipice of going to a superbowl so we will see

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You guys have forced me to view Dad's posts as you are obviously talking about me. Dad I never said it could not ever happen. Not sure what is so hard to understand about the sentence "if you do not have a top QB you are working with a huge disadvantage".

I did say winning a title with a mediocre QB was not based on the evidence. I can see why it read differently so I offered a clarification. But the fact remains, a fact you continue to ignore and not address, is those mediocre QBs PLAYED LIKE FRANCHISE QBs in those playoff runs. But it was not sustainable. So the plan to build a great roster and plug in an average QB is a failed plan and history has proven this over and over again. There is a reason GMs trade multiple high picks, picks that could be used to build the roster, to try to find that QB.

I hope this is clear enough.

 

[skinsdad62]

You guys have forced me to view Dad's posts as you are obviously talking about me. Dad I never said it could not ever happen. Not sure what is so hard to understand about the sentence "if you do not have a top QB you are working with a huge disadvantage".

I did say winning a title with a mediocre QB was not based on the evidence. I can see why it read differently so I offered a clarification. But the fact remains, a fact you continue to ignore and not address, is those mediocre QBs PLAYED LIKE FRANCHISE QBs in those playoff runs. But it was not sustainable. So the plan to build a great roster and plug in an average QB is a failed plan and history has proven this over and over again. There is a reason GMs trade multiple high picks, picks that could be used to build the roster, to try to find that QB.

I hope this is clear enough.

Tell it to Joe Gibbs , and stop moving the goal posts whenever someone proves you are incorrect . The original debate DGF not the goal post moved version you advocate now . Stop with the played like crap That wasn’t what was originally said

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

So enough of that, the entire country is talking about Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders. This is so much fun to still be playing and in the same place as teams like the Ravens, Bills and Chiefs. We are not at their level, yet, but we will be soon.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

but we will be soon.

Nothings guaranteed as HEALTH and the football gods matter in this week to week league...BUT

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[j_y19]

Now that is an amazing stat. And I think there were 2 more earlier in the season.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Now that is an amazing stat. And I think there were 2 more earlier in the season.

Yep, pretty sure first Gnats game was 1 of them with the multiple FG game and of course the unforgettable Bears Hail Noah.

Not sure how the last drive of Bengals game was but that might possibly be included too (?)