It is not the coach

[gkekoa]

i know some of you want to blame the coach but it wasn't the game plan or the coach's game management.

An NFL HC does not have time to teach things like tackling and not fumbling (5 fumbles through 3 quarters). We consistently gave CAR a short field and that led to easy scores.

31 yard TD drive

24 yard TD drive

11 yard TD drive

 

[j_y19]

No doubt that the players have responsibility, but this team was not prepared today. I have to hang that on the coaching. Our game plan was so vanilla, Carolina new what plays were coming, especially the runs. This team also quit. That also falls on coaching.

 

[gkekoa]

How did they know the game plan?.
They didn't look like it until we started giving them the ball for free.

14-14 but then we couldn't keep the ball.

 

[j_y19]

No doubt, but the sniffed out every run we attempted and flooded the zone. They were prepared and we weren't. Speaking of coaching, what has happened to our oline and the savior Callahan?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

5 TOs
5 sacks

 

[gkekoa]

No doubt, but the sniffed out every run we attempted and flooded the zone. They were prepared and we weren't. Speaking of coaching, what has happened to our oline and the savior Callahan?

We can't run block at all. We have had two good games all season running it or we would be historically bad.

 

[Breed]

No doubt that the players have responsibility, but this team was not prepared today. I have to hang that on the coaching. Our game plan was so vanilla, Carolina new what plays were coming, especially the runs. This team also quit. That also falls on coaching.

How were they not prepared? And penalties killed them as much as anything else. W/O Reed's penalty the Skins are 1st n goal inside the Panthers 5. Instead its whatever it was and KC gets stripped and the Panthers blew it open from there on.

The game-plan looked pretty decent to me up to that point.

 

[j_y19]

How were they not prepared? And penalties killed them as much as anything else. W/O Reed's penalty the Skins are 1st n goal inside the Panthers 5. Instead its whatever it was and KC gets stripped and the Panthers blew it open from there on.

The game-plan looked pretty decent to me up to that point.

Well, if you are ok with -2yds rushing at the half, then I guess is was ok. Our game plan is always so basic, it's not hard to see what we are going to do in most situations. I also take issue that this team quit soon after the second half began. In fact, so did the HC. These last few drives, we are punting the ball away. Why not go into 2 minute offense and work on some things?

 

[j_y19]

Just to clarify, I'm not calling for grudens head. He is a second year HC so he, like cousins, is still learning. But the HC has to take responsibility for this ass whipping.

 

[gkekoa]

If you don't like the coach that is fine. But I am tired of rebuilding. Eventually, you have to keep a system around longer than 3 years...we should have kept the Shanahans but they chose RGME.

 

[j_y19]

If you don't like the coach that is fine. But I am tired of rebuilding. Eventually, you have to keep a system around longer than 3 years...we should have kept the Shanahans but they chose RGME.

See above....I agree about another regime change

 

[deanpet21]

The defense cant stop anyone. Plus you factor in the turnovers and no one will win. Don't blame the coach at all. The players lost this game.

 

[gkekoa]

You can't blame the gameplan when the players turn it over 5 times and can't tackle.

 

[j_y19]

You can't blame the gameplay when the players turn it over 5 times and can't tackle.

That's not the game plan, that's execution. And that IS on the players.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If you don't like the coach that is fine. But I am tired of rebuilding. Eventually, you have to keep a system around longer than 3 years...we should have kept the Shanahans but they chose RGME.

Shanahan the coach - maybe. Shanahan the de facto GM - absolutely not! Like or not he made the trades for both RG3 and McNabb. If you like to believe that he was forced to do either by Snyder than he is equally to blame & not much better than Vinny in this respect.

You want to blame RG3 & yet the only time the Redskins really did well under Shanahan was mainly because of RG3. Notice how nobody is beating down Shanahan's door since this time to rehire him. Not sure about Gruden's future, but I believe that you are way off base on this one.

 

[gkekoa]

Shanahan the coach - maybe. Shanahan the de facto GM - absolutely not! Like or not he made the trades for both RG3 and McNabb. If you like to believe that he was forced to do either by Snyder than he is equally to blame & not much better than Vinny in this respect.

You want to blame RG3 & yet the only time the Redskins really did well under Shanahan was mainly because of RG3. Notice how nobody is beating down Shanahan's door since this time to rehire him. Not sure about Gruden's future, but I believe that you are way off base on this one.

Believe what you want. RGME did well because the Shanahan's utilized all his assets. When he came back from injury, he didn't want to use all those assets and was unwilling to learn to play the position.

I do believe Shanahan was soley responsible for McNabb. That didn't cost us much...a 2nd wasn't it? Every GM makes mistakes. As for RGME, I don't believe for a second that was Shanahan's call. That doesn't make him Vinny...he has a boss, just like you. I do believe KC was totally his call.

We needed stability and still do. We could have had that through Kyle for years to come.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Believe what you want. RGME did well because the Shanahan's utilized all his assets. When he came back from injury, he didn't want to use all those assets and was unwilling to learn to play the position.

I do believe Shanahan was soley responsible for McNabb. That didn't cost us much...a 2nd wasn't it? Every GM makes mistakes. As for RGME, I don't believe for a second that was Shanahan's call. That doesn't make him Vinny...he has a boss, just like you. I do believe KC was totally his call.

We needed stability and still do. We could have had that through Kyle for years to come.

Well - agree to disagree. Again - if Shanahan didn't have the balls to confront Snyder then he was not a good fit anyhow. He also didn't help his case by playing RG3 when he was obviously hurt. I don't care if RG3 demanded to play - you don't take the players opinion in those type of cases.

Also - look at the majority of draft picks made during that era. They have not done particularly well since. Again - the flaw was not necessarily with Shanahan the coach but rather Shanahan the personnel guy. As I have stated numerous times I would never hire one of these ex-SB winning coaches since a. they are usually very stubborn b. almost always demand personnel duties in addition to coaching & c. generally older in their subsequent stint & a lot of the game has passed them by.

Again - Gruden may or may not be the answer & I have no issue with him returning next season, but I am still more than happy that Shahanan is not part of this organization. Also - you might want to give the whole RGME thing a rest. The guy has been nothing but class this season & has accepted his role as 3rd string QB. A lot of other players would be stirring things up at this pt. Sure - he screwed up in the past but nothing that bad & he appears to be doing his best now in a very difficult situation.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well - agree to disagree. Again - if Shanahan didn't have the balls to confront Snyder then he was not a good fit anyhow. He also didn't help his case by playing RG3 when he was obviously hurt. I don't care if RG3 demanded to play - you don't take the players opinion in those type of cases.

Also - look at the majority of draft picks made during that era. They have not done particularly well since. Again - the flaw was not necessarily with Shanahan the coach but rather Shanahan the personnel guy. As I have stated numerous times I would never hire one of these ex-SB winning coaches since a. they are usually very stubborn b. almost always demand personnel duties in addition to coaching & c. generally older in their subsequent stint & a lot of the game has passed them by.

Again - Gruden may or may not be the answer & I have no issue with him returning next season, but I am still more than happy that Shahanan is not part of this organization. Also - you might want to give the whole RGME thing a rest. The guy has been nothing but class this season & has accepted his role as 3rd string QB. A lot of other players would be stirring things up at this pt. Sure - he screwed up in the past but nothing that bad & he appears to be doing his best now in a very difficult situation.

Got to play devils advocate here a little. How difficult can it really be to sit back, make $6.5 million on the season and watch as the team makes the case for you that... it wasnt all my fault?? The only real way this hurts Griffin is if the team pulls off a miracle and does the unthinkable with Kirk at QB. Right now we are record wise, no better than when Griffin started. Yes he is being smart for once and keeping quiet, but my thinking is that he realizes this whole thing plays out great for him at this point.

 

[gkekoa]

Well - agree to disagree. Again - if Shanahan didn't have the balls to confront Snyder then he was not a good fit anyhow. He also didn't help his case by playing RG3 when he was obviously hurt. I don't care if RG3 demanded to play - you don't take the players opinion in those type of cases.

Also - look at the majority of draft picks made during that era. They have not done particularly well since. Again - the flaw was not necessarily with Shanahan the coach but rather Shanahan the personnel guy. As I have stated numerous times I would never hire one of these ex-SB winning coaches since a. they are usually very stubborn b. almost always demand personnel duties in addition to coaching & c. generally older in their subsequent stint & a lot of the game has passed them by.

Again - Gruden may or may not be the answer & I have no issue with him returning next season, but I am still more than happy that Shahanan is not part of this organization. Also - you might want to give the whole RGME thing a rest. The guy has been nothing but class this season & has accepted his role as 3rd string QB. A lot of other players would be stirring things up at this pt. Sure - he screwed up in the past but nothing that bad & he appears to be doing his best now in a very difficult situation.

Shanahan didn't take RGME's word for it. He took Dr. James Andrews who said there was no risk in RG3 playing. You see...Dr. Andrews was the doctor. What draft picks? All the quality ones were used on RG3. But let us look at some: Trent Williams and Perry Riley from his first draft (one a perennial pro bowler and the other has started every year), Ryan Kerrigan (pro bowler), Jarvis Jenkins (starter for us and now the Bears), Leonard Hankerson (number 2 in ATL), Niles Paul (borderline starter and a nice back up), Kirk Cousins (we are talking about giving him 17m per season), Keenan Robinson (starter), Alfred Morris (best start in Skins history), Jordan Reed (top three TE when healthy), David Amerson (still starting).

You see...it isn't nearly as bad as you would like to claim.

RGME is biding his time. He isn't saying anything to look good for his next contract and he will get a nice one. He may sign for more than KC if some team is insane.