Is Baker Mayfield a Bust?

[DJ Fieri]

Also theres usually
More than ten guys that folks refer to as top ten. Makes no sense. Bakers elevated that team for two years now.

Start the backup Trask for a full season (instead of Mayfield) and the Bucs are anywhere 2-15 to 4-13.

 

[DJ Fieri]

That's not really how life works. Your coach won't voluntarily make his team worse to get everyone fired.

It's a dumb point

It really is but the poster you are communicating with isn't the most intelligent poster.

 

[ElPatron1]

Start the backup Trask for a full season (instead of Mayfield) and the Bucs are anywhere 2-15 to 4-13.

And they would have a top 5 pick...Vs another losing year of Baker next year

He is a scrub who outperformed and got beat at home to a rookie lol

 

[ElPatron1]

It really is but the poster you are communicating with isn't the most intelligent poster.

It really isn't and the the main admin agrees with me

You are just too stupid to understand simple logic

 

[DJ Fieri]

And they would have a top 5 pick...Vs another losing year of Baker next year

He is a scrub who outperformed and got beat at home to a rookie lol

The Commanders were the better team.

 

[ElPatron1]

The Commanders were the better team.

With the better QB

 

[Schmoopy1000]

So what would the bucs plan be?
Just keep tanking & switching QBs until they finally get lucky & land an elite QB?
That would be a dumb plan.
You would find yourself in losing seasons for a very long time.

 

[DJ Fieri]

So what would the bucs plan be?
Just keep tanking & switching QBs until they finally get lucky & land an elite QB?
That would be a dumb plan.
You would find yourself in losing seasons for a very long time.

Yeah, it's dumb.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yeah, it's dumb.

the funny thing is.
I was making fun of their defense, because it doesnt matter how many times Baker & that offense took the lead. The Defense would lose it back.

but hey!
Let's blame the QB LOL

 

[ElPatron1]

So what would the bucs plan be?
Just keep tanking & switching QBs until they finally get lucky & land an elite QB?
That would be a dumb plan.
You would find yourself in losing seasons for a very long time.

His ceiling is probably this year and or 2020 with the Browns. He will be solid statistically and we will win some games, but won’t compete with the elite tier of QBs and he won't take us to a Super Bowl. He doesn't even make the playoffs if not for being in the NFC south

And as far as the defense, it wasn't the defense who fumbled in the 4th with the game tied.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

His ceiling is probably this year and or 2020 with the Browns. He will be solid statistically and we will win some games, but won’t compete with the elite tier of QBs and he won't take us to a Super Bowl. He doesn't even make the playoffs if not for being in the NFC south

And as far as the defense, it wasn't the defense who fumbled in the 4th with the game tied.

dude. He played for the frickin' Browns & took them to the playoffs for the 1st time in forever. LOL
The defense gives up points like they are oprah!
You get points & you get points & everyone get points!!!!
No. You wont see me call him elite by any means. But he isnt the reason you are losing games. Lose the trenches. Lose the games. Always been that way. He definitely plays hard & he definitely gets those around him to play hard for him.

If you want to be mad he pulls some games out of his ass for wins & fucks up your draft pick.
Ok be mad at him for that.

 

[ElPatron1]

dude. He played for the frickin' Browns & took them to the playoffs for the 1st time in forever. LOL
The defense gives up points like they are oprah!
You get points & you get points & everyone get points!!!!
No. You wont see me call him elite by any means. But he isnt the reason you are losing games. Lose the trenches. Lose the games. Always been that way. He definitely plays hard & he definitely gets those around him to play hard for him.

That's fine, as i said earlier he is mid. The results will be mid. Some people are okay with mid.

 

[HuskerOC]

dude. He played for the frickin' Browns & took them to the playoffs for the 1st time in forever. LOL
The defense gives up points like they are oprah!
You get points & you get points & everyone get points!!!!
No. You wont see me call him elite by any means. But he isnt the reason you are losing games. Lose the trenches. Lose the games. Always been that way. He definitely plays hard & he definitely gets those around him to play hard for him.

If you want to be mad he pulls some games out of his ass for wins & fucks up your draft pick.
Ok be mad at him for that.

Biggest problem for Baker is he is the same Baker from college. He hasn't gotten better.

Sure, he is a good athlete and can extend plays, however, he absolutely has to square his shoulders to throw accurately.

He has always been rigid in his throwing motion, and has zero elasticity to make different throws when under any kind of pressure.

For a 6'0" QB in the NFL, that is a huge problem. He throws way too many INTs because he isn't supple enough in his upper body to get rid of the ball when needed nor hit a WR across his body like many of the news studs simply can.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Biggest problem for Baker is he is the same Baker from college. He hasn't gotten better.

Sure, he is a good athlete and can extend plays, however, he absolutely has to square his shoulders to throw accurately.

He has always been rigid in his throwing motion, and has zero elasticity to make different throws when under any kind of pressure.

For a 6'0" QB in the NFL, that is a huge problem. He throws way too many INTs because he isn't supple enough in his upper body to get rid of the ball when needed nor hit a WR across his body like many of the news studs simply can.

I dunno.
If Baker is on my team. I am not talking of tanking.
I am talking of improving my weaker parts of the team.

Talking of tanking until you get an elite QB doesnt sound like sound planning.

Of course all of us would love to have an elite QB on the team instead of a franchise QB.
But that # of actually killer QBs is really low.

Superbowl Champions are littered with non elite QBs. Even more making the Superbowl.
You can have an elite QB & without the team. it means squat when talking Superbowl champions.

 

[HuskerOC]

I dunno.
If Baker is on my team. I am not talking of tanking.
I am talking of improving my weaker parts of the team.

Talking of tanking until you get an elite QB doesnt sound like sound planning.

Of course all of us would love to have an elite QB on the team instead of a franchise QB.
But that # of actually killer QBs is really low.

Superbowl Champions are littered with non elite QBs. Even more making the Superbowl.
You can have an elite QB & without the team. it means squat when talking Superbowl champions.

The game has undoubtedly changed, along with the rules.

If is all offense and protect the QB at all times.

Hard to see teams like Trent Dilfer or Phil Simms nowadays just manage teams to a Super Bowl win. Defense has no chance of carrying a team these days.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

The game has undoubtedly changed, along with the rules.

If is all offense and protect the QB at all times.

Hard to see teams like Trent Dilfer or Phil Simms nowadays just manage teams to a Super Bowl win. Defense has no chance of carrying a team these days.

Well. No one is arguing Baker is the 2nd coming of anything.
but this other guys idea of tanking for an elite is silly.
If Baker had a stout Defense, like the Ravens or Eagles. the bucs are a seriously dangerous team. The bucs offense was not lacking.

Goff won a Superbowl & on the rams he wasnt some crazy elite QB.
Hell Jimmy G made the Superbowl & he isnt even that good at all.
You dont need an elite Qb to make a Superbowl even today. (although we all would like one)

 

[Xeliou66]

Well. No one is arguing Baker is the 2nd coming of anything.
but this other guys idea of tanking for an elite is silly.
If Baker had a stout Defense, like the Ravens or Eagles. the bucs are a seriously dangerous team. The bucs offense was not lacking.

Goff won a Superbowl & on the rams he wasnt some crazy elite QB.
Hell Jimmy G made the Superbowl & he isnt even that good at all.
You dont need an elite Qb to make a Superbowl even today. (although we all would like one)

Goff didn’t win the Super Bowl, he made it there though. And he’s a very good QB.
I agree that if the Bucs had a strong D they would be Super Bowl contenders.

 

[wilwhite]

And they would have a top 5 pick...Vs another losing year of Baker next year

He is a scrub who outperformed and got beat at home to a rookie lol

I suspect Mayfield's better than any QB in this coming draft.

 

[broncosmitty]

Well. No one is arguing Baker is the 2nd coming of anything.
but this other guys idea of tanking for an elite is silly.
If Baker had a stout Defense, like the Ravens or Eagles. the bucs are a seriously dangerous team. The bucs offense was not lacking.

Goff won a Superbowl & on the rams he wasnt some crazy elite QB.
Hell Jimmy G made the Superbowl & he isnt even that good at all.
You dont need an elite Qb to make a Superbowl even today. (although we all would like one)

Goff hasn’t won a SB, yet.

 

[broncosmitty]

I suspect Mayfield's better than any QB in this coming draft.

Sneaking suspicion he has a lot of company.