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[deanpet21]

And We have asked you numerous times... What are your valid points for not signing him??

I have proven to you 10000 times that signing him long term does not in fact put us in cap hell. The only negative of signing him long term is..

1. We wont be able to play big spender on other peoples free agents THIS year.
2. We don't have the luxury of trying to find that "Special" (elite) rookie in this years draft.

The only person who has said we are doomed without Cousins is you. But again I have asked you to explain to me, even roughly... how in fact are we a better team without Cousins. Your answer has basically been Fuck if I know?

I can see this team going in a different direction by not keeping KC. How in the hell can I map out an offseason plan RIGHT NOW???. I never said this team is doomed without KC. We cant win 7 or 8 games without KC? Of course we can.

 

[Sharkinva]

I can see this team going in a different direction by not keeping KC. How in the hell can I map out an offseason plan RIGHT NOW???. I never said this team is doomed without KC. We cant win 7 or 8 games without KC? Of course we can.

And this is why we say you are ABC Dean. Because you have no idea who the QB should be. But you some how think that its a given we wont get worse by going back into the hunt for a QB mode. You scream that we need that cap space for other things. But when asked, what things, who should we target, you say I cant possibly answer that NOW.

And the idea isn't to win 7-8 games. Its to improve and win 10-13 games. Sure we could start McCoy and we might win 7-8 games, but how is that an improvement.

Where as those of us thinking improve the team figure, we could I don't know, Draft a D-lineman or ILB to improve the defense, which might help getting over that 7-8 game hump a lot more than going into a rebuild and HOPING we can capture 2012 again. I really do feel for you and some of these younger fans Dean. Because I realize, the only redskins way some of you guys have known is the Dan Snyder way. And that is a big part of the problem with how some of this current fan base thinks.


And no, you never said the team is Doomed without Cousins, you just threw that on other folks who have said the team is likely to take a step back if we are once again preoccupied with finding the "special" QB, because it has meant ignoring the rest of the team in the process.

 

[gkekoa]

saying this team will not compete by not having KC is just foolish. No one is chasing anything. There are many teams with average QB's who have won in this league. There will be no giving up the farm to get a Qb like you keep saying even if KC leaves. I can see why if they let KC walk. I can see why if they sign KC long term. You just don't understand that

It isn’t foolish because an average QB cannot win with our defense and no running game.

Also, there is no guarantee we get an average QB.

Also, it is extremely likely we will trade up for a QB if we don’t resign KC.

Since you have been ignoring me, you haven’t gotten any smarter.

 

[Stymietee]

In @deanpet21 defense, ask Cleveland fans what they've felt year in and year out and I'll bet you'll get a bunch of "Doomed" answers. Well, since we become Cleveland without Kirk....there you go!! ijs

 

[deanpet21]

And this is why we say you are ABC Dean. Because you have no idea who the QB should be. But you some how think that its a given we wont get worse by going back into the hunt for a QB mode. You scream that we need that cap space for other things. But when asked, what things, who should we target, you say I cant possibly answer that NOW.

And the idea isn't to win 7-8 games. Its to improve and win 10-13 games. Sure we could start McCoy and we might win 7-8 games, but how is that an improvement.

Where as those of us thinking improve the team figure, we could I don't know, Draft a D-lineman or ILB to improve the defense, which might help getting over that 7-8 game hump a lot more than going into a rebuild and HOPING we can capture 2012 again. I really do feel for you and some of these younger fans Dean. Because I realize, the only redskins way some of you guys have known is the Dan Snyder way. And that is a big part of the problem with how some of this current fan base thinks.


And no, you never said the team is Doomed without Cousins, you just threw that on other folks who have said the team is likely to take a step back if we are once again preoccupied with finding the "special" QB, because it has meant ignoring the rest of the team in the process.

that is such bs and you know it. I already explained why we could go in a different direction if KC leaves

 

[Sharkinva]

that is such bs and you know it. I already explained why we could go in a different direction if KC leaves

Give us a direction is all I'm asking. If not, then to me and a few others the whole PLAN in your opinion is simply to move on from Cousins.

 

[deanpet21]

Give us a direction is all I'm asking. If not, then to me and a few others the whole PLAN in your opinion is simply to move on from Cousins.

Im ok either way to be honest.

 

[Sharkinva]

that is such bs and you know it. I already explained why we could go in a different direction if KC leaves

By the way, here is why I am pretty sure moving away from Cousins at this time will fail.

Because you cant take a short cut to a good TEAM. And spending big in free agency, trading up for the "Special" QB whn you don't have the rest of the team around him is basically trying to take a shortcut.

We have seen this team try to take shortcuts since Snyder bought the team. I suspect this is the only way you have seen the Redskins run since you became a fan, which would explain why you are more than willing to see them try it again. Because much like my sons, and far too many redskins fans.... ya'll don't know any other way.

Philly, Jacksonville and the Vikings built the rest of the team around some not so special QBs before they made the moves they did to find that special someone. Philly traded a lot to get Wentz, the Rams traded a lot to get Goff. Both teams had solid rosters and didn't try to take shortcuts.

Moving on from Cousins is simply Dan Snyder winning off the field football unless you have a solid plan. IM pretty sure you don't, and I would suspect Bruce Allen doesn't either.

 

[skinsdad62]

It isn’t foolish because an average QB cannot win with our defense and no running game.

Also, there is no guarantee we get an average QB.

Also, it is extremely likely we will trade up for a QB if we don’t resign KC.

Since you have been ignoring me, you haven’t gotten any smarter.

as case keenum shows , if their defense doesnt play well he cant keep it competitive , KC however can . we dont have a defense that can dominate . we wont if we have to reinvest in a qb when we dont have too , hence its a step back , maybe not doomsday but a step back again .

also if said draft pick out prices himself in 4-5 years then what ? let him and our investment pay dividends with another team

 

[Breed]

Here's another ominous bit from that draft:

The Washington Redskins not only passed on Rodgers at nine, when they selected cornerback Carlos Rogers, they almost passed on him again. Washington traded up to 25 to take quarterback Jason Campbell one choice after Rodgers, but the team had Campbell rated as the better prospect anyway.

Yeah, Joe Gibbs for whatever reason became enamored with Campbell.

 

[Stymietee]

Yeah, Joe Gibbs for whatever reason became enamored with Campbell.

Yeah man, NFL drafts are a crapshoot, I liken it to the mating, dating, hating game where few if any get it right on the first shot and then be lucky enough to not only be in the right place at the right time, but both must be in the right circumstance just to have a chance at success. For the rest there's a lot of "Fuck was I thinking about?" To go through before settling for tolerable.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yeah man, NFL drafts are a crapshoot, I liken it to the mating, dating, hating game where few if any get it right on the first shot and then be lucky enough to not only be in the right place at the right time, but both must be in the right circumstance just to have a chance at success. For the rest there's a lot of "Fuck was I thinking about?" To go through before settling for tolerable.

You know, I actually had hope for Campbell in his first two years. By year three, I saw him as a game manager of the worst possible ilk. And by that I mean, he never really developed at the NFL level. What he did well, he did well. What he sucked at, he never really improved upon. I think Gibbs saw a Doug Williams clone, and didn't realize Dan and BA 1.0 were never going to give him the time to develop a team around Campbell.

Weird we are back in the same situation to a degree.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now that the Minnesota Vikings’ season is over, the team can start sorting out its quarterback situation. The Redskins will be watching the process with great interest.

Minnesota has three quarterbacks who have significant NFL starting experience and all three of them are free agents. It would be difficult for the Vikings to keep more than one of the trio of Sam Bradford (80 NFL starts), Case Keenum (38), and Teddy Bridgewater (28). All three would like to start, or at least have an opportunity to start, in 2018. The Vikings will only be able to accommodate one of them.

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That would leave two experienced quarterbacks on the market. As you may have heard, the Redskins could be parting ways with Kirk Cousins. Would they be interested in any of the three possible ex-Vikings? Let’s take a look at each of them:

Sam Bradford, age 30 at start of 2018 season—After the Rams made him the No. 1 pick in the 2010 draft, he had four up and down years in St. Louis. He was traded to the Eagles for Nick Foles. Philly flipped him to the Vikings after Bridgewater was injured before the 2016 season. Bradford had a career year in his first year there but a knee injury limited him to two starts in 2017.
Fit with the Redskins: He is the most likely of the three to end up on the free agent market and he could end up costing the least. Bradford was very productive in 2016 and he would be a good fit in Jay Gruden’s offense. But the injury bug is a major red flag. He has missed 48 of a possible 128 games with injuries including 14 last season and the entire 2014 season.

Teddy Bridgewater, age 25—He was going to be the Vikings’ franchise quarterback after they drafted him in the first round in 2014. Bridgewater led the Vikings to an 11-5 record and a division title his second season and they were a missed chip shot field goal away from advancing to the divisional round. But a devastating knee injury suffered before the 2016 season has put his future in doubt. It put him on the injury list for all of 2016 and most of last year.
Fit with the Redskins: The story now is that the organization is torn between keeping Bridgewater or sticking with Keenum. Bridgewater also could fit into Gruden’s offense. Bridgewater is by far the youngest of the three and he could be more of a long-term solution. The knee is the reason why the Vikings can’t move on and there is uncertainty over whether it will ever be 100-percent.

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Case Keenum, age 30—The Vikings are the third stop in his six NFL seasons. He had stints as the starter in Houston and with the Rams before landing in Minnesota as a free agent last March. When Bradford was injured in Week 1 in came Keenum and he had a career year, completing 67.6 percent of his passes with 22 touchdowns and seven interceptions. The Vikings had an excellent defense but it’s unlikely that they reach the NFC championship game without Keenum.
Fit with Redskins: Is Keenum a one-year wonder? Or did his show is ability given a chance? Look at this table to compare his first season as a starter with Kirk Cousins’ 2015 season. Keenum had 62 fewer attempts so the yardage total is lower, but their performances are comparable. But if the Vikings let him go, will the Redskins risk a multi-year deal that probably will be in excess of $20 million per year on a guy with one solid year on his resume? They were unwilling to do it with Cousins a few years ago.

 

[Sharkinva]

By the way... as much as people are saying Bridgewater.. I don't think the Vik's let him loose. Kennum had a nice season. But of the three... I think Bradford is more a fit into the Redskins way.

 

[Stymietee]

Weird we are back in the same situation to a degree.

Weird huh?...I say customary, habitual, normal, expected or any other way folks want to say, SOP

 

[j_y19]

If nothing else. Its time to take the present FO off the hook for not signing Cousins LTD the last 2 years it would appear. And as it appears he's most responsible for Cuz not being signed long term. Scotty Mac saying KC's nothing special isn't surprising in the least. What else can he really say? That he was wrong. How many times has that come out the mouth of a GM/former GM?

And Scotty Mac is wrong in this instance. It isn't a matter of whether Cuz is special or not. The heart of the matter is whether or not Kirk Cousins is the best option available and capable of leading the Redskins to where we'd all like to see them get to. The answer to that question in my mind is unequivocally and w/o question yes, he is.

Aside from the writer of this article arguably having too big of a boner just a little too soon for Jimmy G. As well as his silly notion that Matt Ryan is w/o question better than Kirk just cuz. I found this article to be fairly on point. The FO needs to strike sooner rather than later imo though. 5 years/150 million maybe a little more with the only real issue that needs hammering out is the guaranteed money.

Here's the contract the 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo should sign

It baffles me that the FO hasn't stuck yet. They need this issue resolved. One way or another. So they can prepare for FA and the draft.

 

[Breed]

It baffles me that the FO hasn't stuck yet. They need this issue resolved. One way or another. So they can prepare for FA and the draft.

Yeah, I'm taking hearing no news up to now as bad news. Who knows though, maybe Kirk and the Cousins fam are vacaying right now.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Yeah, I'm taking hearing no news up to now as bad news. Who knows though, maybe Kirk and the Cousins fam are vacaying right now.

Remember in that Q&A session Cousins had w/ the fans he stated that he would take his time on this & no decision would be made for a while. That could be BS but you have to believe that meant this would not be resolved immediately.

 

[Breed]

You know, I actually had hope for Campbell in his first two years. By year three, I saw him as a game manager of the worst possible ilk. And by that I mean, he never really developed at the NFL level. What he did well, he did well. What he sucked at, he never really improved upon. I think Gibbs saw a Doug Williams clone, and didn't realize Dan and BA 1.0 were never going to give him the time to develop a team around Campbell.

Weird we are back in the same situation to a degree.

Gibbs wasn't in this situation with Campbell nor did joe have to worry about Snyder or Vinny overseeing him, rushing him or denyinhg him anything. He (Gibbs) may actually be the only HC in the Snyder era that didn't get static or interference from Snyder.

What Gibbs saw, at least imo, was that he realized Jason Caqmpbell was a mistake of a draft pick, though I don't blame all that on Campbell. He was coached horribly by Gibbs imo. Gibbs coached Campbell not to lose as opposed to trying to win.

 

[Breed]

Remember in that Q&A session Cousins had w/ the fans he stated that he would take his time on this & no decision would be made for a while. That could be BS but you have to believe that meant this would not be resolved immediately.

I remember, but Kirk has no need to rush. It would behoove the FO to sign Kirk quickly though imo. Just in case Kirk were to get one of those "I couldn't tiurn that down." type deals which I think is possible.

The silence on the front fas as that goes, though I could be compleytely wrong, is telling me Allen is trying to be crafty or neither Allen or Snyder have no intention of paying Kirk the going rate for a legitimate NFL starter which is what now? 24-26 mill per.

Than again, maybe Kirk is like fuck it, I'm gonna see if I can get that 3rd tag and mo' money mo' money mo' money from Snyder's triflin ass. Then I'll tell Allen and Snyder kick rocks when I'm on the first thing smokin' outta DC. Peeps like dean would get the biggest case of butthurt in butthurt history over that, but Skins fans who don't live in BnG colored glasses will understand it. We might not like it, but we'll understand it. Cuz from where I'm sitting, that's worst case scenario.

Sign Kirk to a LTD before next season or lets part ways and start Redskins Rebuilding Project 76321.