I guess it is official. Manning is coming back.

[Broncosballer32]

Peyton Manning tells Denver Broncos he's ready to play in 2015 - ESPN

I read somewhere that Kubiak will design an offense that will take advantage of the talent and what their strengths are. That is good. You know? That is a good quality in a head coach.

I am wondering what sort of offense he can design that will take advantage of the things Manning does well. Any room for discussion? I mean, how many things can Manning do?

 

[iknowftbll]

If Kubiak can coax any production out of Manning at that old geezer's age he should be coach of the year!

Seriously, you can pretty much pencil in the Broncos for 11-5 or better, and their 5th straight trip to the playoffs. The new coaching staff is where we draw our hope the team finally gets over the hump once they get there.

 

[MileHigh64]

We'll get a glimpse of the Broncos plan with Manning as free agency and the draft both unfold. Players that they re-sign or bring in will somewhat reveal what direction they're headed in. Kubiak was able to crank up the run game with Forsett in Baltimore last year but still had Flacco throwing the ball quite a bit. I would like to see the Manning led Broncos gain more balance. Not in the aspect of 50/50 run and pass in each game but the ability to have a full game that features running successfully OR a full game that they are pass happy. The flexibility to do that based on their opponent would be the way to go. Not unlike this year's Superbowl champion Patriots.

I also read that there is talk going on with Manning and the Broncos about re-structuring his contract.

MH64

 

[iknowftbll]

I also read that there is talk going on with Manning and the Broncos about re-structuring his contract.

MH64

I'd like to see this as well. This will enable the Broncos to lock in some players for a few years, making the post-Manning transition a lot easier on the team (and more importantly, us fans! ) DT is a huge priority, as well as Pot Roast. JT I'm okay with seeing walk if he won't take a reasonable deal. I love the guy, but we have a more well-rounded TE in Green who may not be the dynamic pass catching threat as JT (though we don't know because the Broncos didn't really try) AND can block. I'd rather see them use the money to replace Welker, though we do have Cody Latimer waiting in the wings, so it'll be interesting to see what a WR core of DT, Lat, and Sanders is capable of doing.

I think resigning Orlando Franklin is another big priority, then bringing in some upgrades on the O-line. Preferably through the draft, so we are growing a long term solution on the line.

There is a lot to do, but Elway has proven himself to be a master at handling the team's business in the off season. I'm confident he'll keep the most important pieces and make the upgrades where we need them.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Peyton Manning tells Denver Broncos he's ready to play in 2015 - ESPN

I read somewhere that Kubiak will design an offense that will take advantage of the talent and what their strengths are. That is good. You know? That is a good quality in a head coach.

I am wondering what sort of offense he can design that will take advantage of the things Manning does well. Any room for discussion? I mean, how many things can Manning do?

Well, we know that he can hand the ball off, so I expect that the greater balance between running and throwing that you wrote of in the other thread is likely part of the new offensive plan. Accordingly, I suspect that we will get some new offensive linemen. Also hope to see a more consistently aggressive brand of defense that generates more pressure and turnovers. Hope to see Manning on the bench in a baseball cap in the fourth quarter of as many games as possible, with Oz sealing the wins.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Peyton Manning tells Denver Broncos he's ready to play in 2015 - ESPN

I read somewhere that Kubiak will design an offense that will take advantage of the talent and what their strengths are. That is good. You know? That is a good quality in a head coach.

I am wondering what sort of offense he can design that will take advantage of the things Manning does well. Any room for discussion? I mean, how many things can Manning do?

I think a big question is for how much?

 

[Broncosballer32]

Well, we know that he can hand the ball off, so I expect that the greater balance between running and throwing that you wrote of in the other thread is likely part of the new offensive plan. Accordingly, I suspect that we will get some new offensive linemen. Also hope to see a more consistently aggressive brand of defense that generates more pressure and turnovers. Hope to see Manning on the bench in a baseball cap in the fourth quarter of as many games as possible, with Oz sealing the wins.

Yes, he can certainly do that. My concern is the type of running game that the Broncos are going to implement. The THREAT of the bootleg is imperative for that stretch run to work. Trust this. Teams will not honor anything like a bootleg from Manning. They know he will not do it.

Now, all of these things I am saying is pretty basic, but the simple fact is the stretch run is not what is going to be implemented IF Kubiak is truly going to run something that will take advantage of each player's strength.

Yes, I am a broken record. I am just saying what we all pretty much know what the strength of Manning is (at least what it used to be until the last half of this season.) That, is NOT the west coast offense running game which involves handing the ball off to the running back BEHIND the QB.

I just found this on youtube. Alex Gibbs is talking about cutting off backside pursuit along other things. This is the system. We all know it, but it is a good piece.


You will see through out the runs how the backside needs to honor bootleg.

Is Manning going to force teams to honor that?

 

[TDs3nOut]

I don't the exact form that the offense will take, but I doubt that it will involve Manning rolling out much. I suspect that Elway and Kubiak have and will continue to talk at length about how best to take advantage of PM's strengths and to address the personnel needs that complement those strengths. All three of those guys know quite a bit about offense and QB play. I also suspect that all three feel a sense of urgency to take advantage of what figures to be only a very short future playing career for PM. Certainly a lot of questions, but I think that we have some pretty good minds on the case.

 

[randymon]

No matter what,if Manning is the starting qb again their basically still going to be a " two dimensitional" offense pretty much like they were last yr. Pocket passes and runs. Manning is not a threat to roll out and defenses will still game plan for Broncos the same way no matter what Kubick trys to do with Manning. Every D knows that Manning`s weaknesses are... the quick outs and slants all within the 25yd zone. He doesn`t have the arm strength to stretch the field anymore with any accuracy. Going to be same result I`am afraid, unless Denver gets this awesome O-Line and the running game is unbelievable and the D just dominates like Seattle does consistantly. I don`t see any chance that a Manning led offense under Kubiak is going to change any DC`s philosophy when facing Broncos offense again.Seriously. if you have a qb that is not a threat to run "sometimes at least" or even sneak the ball for a yd, your going to have big probs. maybe their just giving this yr a final " maybe we get lucky" shot with Peyton and then go to plan B with Oz and company. Only thing that I can fathom if Manning leads the way this yr.

 

[BigKen]

I hate seeing anything that requires players to give up money. Generally the only way that happens is the contract gets extended and the old dollars are somehow guaranteed. At 39, I can't see Elway extending Manning's contract unless there's a gentlemen's agreement that Peyton will extend say for 3 years, knows he'll be cut and gets $XX. If the contract isn't an upfront bonus that can be spread, it doesn't make sense. Then again, maybe the Broncos won't pass Manning when he takes his physical and he's free to become a free agent.


From far away, Elways doesn't appear to be the type of GM who will putz around in his quest to get the Lombardi.

 

[cdumler7]

BigKen I'm not usually a big fan of it either but Manning supposedly when he first came to the Broncos said he did not want to get paid like a top quarterback but wanted a contract more like Tom Brady's. His agent supposedly went behind his back wanting more money and it took his agent going to Manning's wife to get him to actually sign the contract. Ever since then he has told the Broncos that if they needed him to he would take a pay cut to help the team out. So because of all that I don't really have a problem seeing if he will take a pay cut.

Now to those wanting him to restructure I just can't see that happening. He did that last year to help the team just a bit and it made sense because we thought last year was not going to be his last season. Doing a restructure this year just means a lot more dead money for the future. At this point it is either take a pay cut or nothing in my opinion. If the Broncos want to sign somebody they have more than enough money to sign all the players they want. Freeing up just a few million on a restructure is not going to be the difference between them resigning a player or not. All they would have to do is give that player a bit more signing bonus and his bigger cap hit would then come next year instead of it being Manning's dead money. so really it is more a difference of what you want to call it of either dead money or signing bonus for a player. I think a player would respond more to the signing bonus.

 

[Fiero425]

BigKen I'm not usually a big fan of it either but Manning supposedly when he first came to the Broncos said he did not want to get paid like a top quarterback but wanted a contract more like Tom Brady's. His agent supposedly went behind his back wanting more money and it took his agent going to Manning's wife to get him to actually sign the contract. Ever since then he has told the Broncos that if they needed him to he would take a pay cut to help the team out. So because of all that I don't really have a problem seeing if he will take a pay cut.

Now to those wanting him to restructure I just can't see that happening. He did that last year to help the team just a bit and it made sense because we thought last year was not going to be his last season. Doing a restructure this year just means a lot more dead money for the future. At this point it is either take a pay cut or nothing in my opinion. If the Broncos want to sign somebody they have more than enough money to sign all the players they want. Freeing up just a few million on a restructure is not going to be the difference between them resigning a player or not. All they would have to do is give that player a bit more signing bonus and his bigger cap hit would then come next year instead of it being Manning's dead money. so really it is more a difference of what you want to call it of either dead money or signing bonus for a player. I think a player would respond more to the signing bonus.

I find this too hard to believe! Regardless, I'm betting Manning doesn't take a pay cut or restructure his contract to accommodate his team and save important players he'll need! :rollseyes:

 

[Broncosr0k]

I find this too hard to believe! Regardless, I'm betting Manning doesn't take a pay cut or restructure his contract to accommodate his team and save important players he'll need! :rollseyes:

1. The only way I have heard of that Manning can restructure or "take a paycut" is that they add more years on to his contract to spread out the money. Then they have a "behind closed doors" agreement that they cut Manning when he wants to retire. I doubt this happens.

As for players Manning needs, who would we need the money to save? We can resign DT with Manning's contract. JT wants more money than he is worth, regardless of the QB. Everyone else on offense, who is going to cost, is signed through Manning's remaining 2 years. As for the defense, Von Miller is the big name coming up. (Assumption that Pot Roast leaves for Oakland) You would only need to get by for a year or two and then FAs fly off our books. Manning, Talib, Ware, Sanders, etc. have only 2-3 years on their contracts. I don't think we are in dire need of the space.

 

[cdumler7]

Well reading into yesterday's presser at the Combine it sounds like the hold up right now is the money. It does sound like the Broncos are wanting Manning to at least restructure so until they can come to an agreement we still are in this state of limbo. I'm very interested to see what this new contract is going to look like and see if it is going to hurt us moving forward after this season more than it already is of the $2.5 million dead money for next season.

 

[Southieinnc]

Well reading into yesterday's presser at the Combine it sounds like the hold up right now is the money. It does sound like the Broncos are wanting Manning to at least restructure so until they can come to an agreement we still are in this state of limbo. I'm very interested to see what this new contract is going to look like and see if it is going to hurt us moving forward after this season more than it already is of the $2.5 million dead money for next season.

Lots of pressure for Manning to restructure - in a big way.

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...ew_england_patriots_auto_module_head_18271646

 

[GNG]

It was obvious late in the season that Manning's arm strength looked diminished. He was throwing wounded ducks.

 

[Broncosballer32]

It was obvious late in the season that Manning's arm strength looked diminished. He was throwing wounded ducks.

Well, his balls tend to flutter and they have been doing that since he has been here. However, they were always quite accurate.

That, was not the case the second half of the season. I think there was a disconnect between what the team wanted to do, and what he was accustomed to doing.

Either way, we can bring up any and all excuses. Manning is getting older, and it is showing. It happens. Also, Manning was always pretty much a one dimensional QB, and he is even more so now.

He cannot even run a simple QB sneak. I am and will always be confused on how he is going to run the Kubiak offense with the stretch run, since he certainly will not run any bootleg action, which is rather essential in Kubiak's offense. I mean no team will honor that play action.

Hey, you never know.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Keep in mind, bootlegs now do not have to be what they were with Elway. Many QBs just need to roll out to maybe the tackle. We are also assuming that there is no way that Kubiak and Manning, two great offensive minds, can possibly create something that works for the both of them. I doubt that is the case.

 

[cdumler7]

Starting to hear the rumors are the Broncos have actually asked for him to take a pay cut and making something closer to $13 million for this upcoming season saving us about $8 million in cap space. He is mulling over whether to do this or not. Again just a rumor so no clue how accurate this is but it does make sense if he has told the team he is ready to come back yet they haven't made it official then it has to be down to contract.