I got KCs back

[gkekoa]

Some of you are far too emotional. KC didn't play a terrible game last night and the late int was not as bad as you think.

The first INT was not on KC. His WR fell down a day even Aikman said he went the right place. I really question why the rookie was in there though.

He did miss JC a couple of times yesterday; however, we don't know the route progressions.

What killed us was down and distance and the OL. First Drive we tried to run with 1 yard to go and we punt. 2nd drive started with a sack and faced 3rd and 15. 3rd drive was 3rd and 14. Next drive we face 4th and 2 on their 41 and we punt...WTF?

This crap continued all game. 3rd and long the whole time. I think they fell in love with the deep ball because we didn't see slants at all. How about a drag route on occasion?

As for the final INT, he just missed that throw. Garcon was open, KC was forced to throw back and didn't lead him enough. If DRC wasn't so long, it was a completion or at worst a tip.

 

[j_y19]

GK, I'm still on the KC bandwagon, but that last INT was a terrible play on KC's part, especially given the situation. Ball security in that situation is a must unless it is the last play of the game. He had other options, he panicked and forced the throw. He should have had in his mind 3 seconds to look for an open receiver and then throw it away or run to the sideline and get out of bounds. Now as bad as that play was, we still need to keep in mind some of the great plays he had yesterday that kept them in the game. He had a couple of perfect passes to Davis as well as a couple of great plays to Garcon and Reed. Not diminishing his game killing INT, because it was a game killer. But that happens. To all QBs.

If anything is clear, it is that KC has the skills to be a top QB in this league. There should be no question in anyone' mind that he has the arm and the work ethic to be very good. There are questions about his decision making in pressure situations and his less than stellar performances in big games. But to talk about throwing him away and using the precious resources we have to find another that would be better than him for the next few years is just very short sighted. We have got to invest in the defense. Period. KC many never be the QB to carry a team, but he has proven that he is a capable QB to lead this team in this system. Build up the rest of the team and watch KC only improve.

 

[Sportster 72]

I took a ride this morning to get breakfast. I got to listen to Cooley talk about the game. He emphasized he supports Cousins and doesn't want to see him gone. He said Cousins played a poor game. He had DJax for a TD right before the 2:00 minute warning. He missed a number of other passes (turned down the throw for a shorter, safer throw.) The Garcon attempt that got picked. His opinion he did some good things, stepped up, slid left had Garcon wide open but the pass was off target.

My take. I have seen him do some good things. He led the team to a go ahead score against Detroit. D couldn't hold. He led the team to what would have been a game winning kick against Cinn but Hop missed. Win JUST those two and the team is in the playoffs.

He also tossed a pick late against Dallas that may well have cost a loss.

So what do we have. A guy who at times plays big and at other times he fails. As the year went on we saw him pull the ball down and run more instead of throwing the ball away or forcing a ball. Wish had done that a couple of times against NY.

Kid just finished his 2nd year as a starter. He is still learning. Seems to me he is trending in the right direction. Brady, Rodgers no. Top 10 QB, the last two years say yes.

Question is will SM sign him. I still think that is iffy.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Good reply JY. I would also add that the Redskins need a true starting RB. Kelly is nice at times & Thompson is great in spots but neither is a true starting NFL RB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Question is will SM sign him. I still think that is iffy.

I think that at a minimum they tag Cousin again - they have already stated this & I don't think that yesterday's game changes this. If they let Cousins walk then they might as well also fire Gruden since it could get kind of ugly with that situation.

 

[Sportster 72]

I also think better run blocking is needed. Folks want to blame the Oline but that is job 1.

I think they tag him also. I think all bets are off after that.

 

[deanpet21]

Some of you are far too emotional. KC didn't play a terrible game last night and the late int was not as bad as you think.

The first INT was not on KC. His WR fell down a day even Aikman said he went the right place. I really question why the rookie was in there though.

He did miss JC a couple of times yesterday; however, we don't know the route progressions.

What killed us was down and distance and the OL. First Drive we tried to run with 1 yard to go and we punt. 2nd drive started with a sack and faced 3rd and 15. 3rd drive was 3rd and 14. Next drive we face 4th and 2 on their 41 and we punt...WTF?

This crap continued all game. 3rd and long the whole time. I think they fell in love with the deep ball because we didn't see slants at all. How about a drag route on occasion?

As for the final INT, he just missed that throw. Garcon was open, KC was forced to throw back and didn't lead him enough. If DRC wasn't so long, it was a completion or at worst a tip.

Of course KC can play and start in this league. But we are going to have to give him elite money to stay here for average an player. This is why I wouldn't bring him back. Kc's ask is going to be at least 22M per season. So how can you justify this when he has proven to choke in big games against good teams? Its not like he is going to get decent money like 15-18M. He wants elite level money. This is where the problem is. I know its the QB position and it always gets overpaid but I hate giving guys elite money who haven't won anything in the league. That is just me.

 

[deanpet21]

On the flip side there is a lack of talented NFL qb's out there so overpaying is just the norm when its comes to QB's. Very tough decisions in the off season.

 

[j_y19]

Of course KC can play and start in this league. But we are going to have to give him elite money to stay here for average an player. This is why I wouldn't bring him back. Kc's ask is going to be at least 22M per season. So how can you justify this when he has proven to choke in big games against good teams? Its not like he is going to get decent money like 15-18M. He wants elite level money. This is where the problem is. I know its the QB position and it always gets overpaid but I hate giving guys elite money who haven't won anything in the league. That is just me.

And here is your confusion. He is not getting elite money. He will be paid his market value. That is the price for a QB that has proven he can start and win games. You keep throwing out $22M. Guess what? That is not elite anymore. He may very well get that. And by the end of his contract, that deal will look a good deal for Redskins. Until this sport produces 32+ proven starting QBs, the value for this position will only continue to climb. You really need to stop worrying about the actual dollar amount and start thinking about who is the right QB to lead this team that is available to us.

 

[deanpet21]

And here is your confusion. He is not getting elite money. He will be paid his market value. That is the price for a QB that has proven he can start and win games. You keep throwing out $22M. Guess what? That is not elite anymore. He may very well get that. And by the end of his contract, that deal will look a good deal for Redskins. Until this sport produces 32+ proven starting QBs, the value for this position will only continue to climb. You really need to stop worrying about the actual dollar amount and start thinking about who is the right QB to lead this team that is available to us.

Its elite money for the current player. It could be more.

 

[BeaReylo]

I also think better run blocking is needed. Folks want to blame the Oline but that is job 1.

I think they tag him also. I think all bets are off after that.

The running game only gained 38 yds for the entire game. Yesterday's loss was a TEAM failure.

 

[j_y19]

Its elite money for the current player. It could be more.

No, its not. Brock Oswieller proved that. Its the market rate. Any of about 20 QBs in the league today, if this was their contract year, would get this kind of money. Get over the dollar amount. We have it and we need him.

 

[deanpet21]

No, its not. Brock Oswieller proved that. Its the market rate. Any of about 20 QBs in the league today, if this was their contract year, would get this kind of money. Get over the dollar amount. We have it and we need him.

KC has us over a barrel. I agree we need him but I just feel it would be an overpay. The Giants game rubbed me the wrong way on him.

 

[j_y19]

KC has us over a barrel. I agree we need him but I just feel it would be an overpay. The Giants game rubbed me the wrong way on him.

Its only an overpay if you have other alternatives. We dont have any legitimate alternative for our QB for the foreseeable future unless we want to go back to the revolving door QB market we've lived in for the last 20 years.

 

[kbso83432]

It is what it is at this point. He's gonna throw for 4500 and toss some soul crushing interceptions. Hope he can grow and learn the same way Rypien did.

 

[ehb5]

Its only an overpay if you have other alternatives. We dont have any legitimate alternative for our QB for the foreseeable future unless we want to go back to the revolving door QB market we've lived in for the last 20 years.

So the Texans didn't overpay because they didn't have an alternative? I know we've been down this road before but just because some GMs think a guy is worth x dollars doesn't mean it's not an overpay or crap contract.*


* - this post is not meant to be a commentary on kirk in anyway (it's fun how I have to put these here so people don't jump down my throat).

 

[BeaReylo]

It is what it is at this point. He's gonna throw for 4500 and toss some soul crushing interceptions. Hope he can grow and learn the same way Rypien did.

I have to emphasize Kirk Cousins is only in his second year as a starter. To say he can't overcome some of the growing pains he's going through is a bit hyperbole.

 

[Breed]

Some of you are far too emotional. KC didn't play a terrible game last night and the late int was not as bad as you think.

The first INT was not on KC. His WR fell down a day even Aikman said he went the right place. I really question why the rookie was in there though.

He did miss JC a couple of times yesterday; however, we don't know the route progressions.

What killed us was down and distance and the OL. First Drive we tried to run with 1 yard to go and we punt. 2nd drive started with a sack and faced 3rd and 15. 3rd drive was 3rd and 14. Next drive we face 4th and 2 on their 41 and we punt...WTF?

This crap continued all game. 3rd and long the whole time. I think they fell in love with the deep ball because we didn't see slants at all. How about a drag route on occasion?

As for the final INT, he just missed that throw. Garcon was open, KC was forced to throw back and didn't lead him enough. If DRC wasn't so long, it was a completion or at worst a tip.

Heh. Some of us are too emotional, but you still got KC's back. No doubt there's no emotion involved in you getting KC's back eh.

So he missed JC a couple times and Djax around the 2 minute mark. No doubt even elite QBs miss plays, probably more than any of us realize. Do elite QBs miss at least 3 plays in the same game with a playodff berth on the line? I dunno, but if they truly are elite I'll lean towards probably not, but I truly don't know.

The Giants have the #3 run defense in the league allowing 80+ rushing yards a game. They have a run stopping stud in Damon Harrison clogging up the middle. Their pass defense is ranked 23rd in the league. Now due to their prowess at stopping the run. I'd opine the Giants pass defense mlght be better than their 23 rd ranking would indicate. Every time I've watched them play. Jenkins or DRC or Collins always seem to do something of a positive nature for the Gmen. Still, putting the game in Cuz's hands may've had nothing to do with abandoning the run. It may've been what the ciaching staff thought was the most prudent course of action. With the greatest chance for success.

Far as its the fault of the OL opinion. Weren't 3 of the Giants 4 sacks blitzes by DBs? If so, doesn't that fall on a RB and a QB? In the Cardinals game. DJ Swearinger bitzed two times in a row on the Skins last 2 offensive plays. On the last one Cuz either threw an out and out terrible pass way behind an open JC that Petewrson INTed to close out the game. Or JC ran the wrong route and Cuz was hung out to dry. Either way, Cuz was rattled onboth times on Swearinger's blitzes and to my untrained eye the responsibility to pick up or at least regconize the blitz was on Cuz. The Giants were also successful last year in their Sunday night victory over the Skins in part by blitzing Cuz. One play in particular Cuz threw a terrible pass to a wide open Reed from the Gainst 19 yd ln in that game. If that is indded tyhe case. That'[s on the ciaches first and foremost for a lack of adjustment.

On the last INT I think that was on Cuz on two counts. His moving up in the pocket allowed #59 to move laterally to his rght and across MM's face/body and there wasn't a whole lot MM could do about it. Unless he has eyes in the back of his head and eye holes in his helmet. Had Cuz stayed at the deepest point of his dropback as opposed to moving forward #59 would've had to either go thorough MM bull rush manner or around him. Which I'm not sure would've happened as MM looked to have real good position and levearge to prevent both. The pass was a terrible decision on Cuz's part that I think DRC was trying to and succssfully did bait Cuz into throwing.

That said....not surprising that today we have new culprits as the reason the Skins lost the game from a professed KC back-getter. Who's also claiming Cuz didn't play that bad, cuz leading your team to no 1st half points and only 10 points for the game. Isn't that bad in this new Kirk Cousins is an elite quarterback world. Neither is a flat out terrible decision to throw a very ill advised pass that turned into a game clinching INT for the Giants.

I'd hate to see what would be said had there been some actual emotion involved in the OP's purely clinical assessment of the game yesterday.

 

[j_y19]

So the Texans didn't overpay because they didn't have an alternative? I know we've been down this road before but just because some GMs think a guy is worth x dollars doesn't mean it's not an overpay or crap contract.*


* - this post is not meant to be a commentary on kirk in anyway (it's fun how I have to put these here so people don't jump down my throat).

No, the Texans overpaid because they are idiots. Osweiller had no track record. Much like we overpaid for RG3.

* - I purposely left KC out of my response also......but something tells me that he will be part of the thread shortly.

 

[gkekoa]

Heh. Some of us are too emotional, but you still got KC's back. No doubt there's no emotion involved in you getting KC's back eh.

So he missed JC a couple times and Djax around the 2 minute mark. No doubt even elite QBs miss plays, probably more than any of us realize. Do elite QBs miss at least 3 plays in the same game with a playodff berth on the line? I dunno, but if they truly are elite I'll lean towards probably not, but I truly don't know.

The Giants have the #3 run defense in the league allowing 80+ rushing yards a game. They have a run stopping stud in Damon Harrison clogging up the middle. Their pass defense is ranked 23rd in the league. Now due to their prowess at stopping the run. I'd opine the Giants pass defense mlght be better than their 23 rd ranking would indicate. Every time I've watched them play. Jenkins or DRC or Collins always seem to do something of a positive nature for the Gmen. Still, putting the game in Cuz's hands may've had nothing to do with abandoning the run. It may've been what the ciaching staff thought was the most prudent course of action. With the greatest chance for success.

Far as its the fault of the OL opinion. Weren't 3 of the Giants 4 sacks blitzes by DBs? If so, doesn't that fall on a RB and a QB? In the Cardinals game. DJ Swearinger bitzed two times in a row on the Skins last 2 offensive plays. On the last one Cuz either threw an out and out terrible pass way behind an open JC that Petewrson INTed to close out the game. Or JC ran the wrong route and Cuz was hung out to dry. Either way, Cuz was rattled onboth times on Swearinger's blitzes and to my untrained eye the responsibility to pick up or at least regconize the blitz was on Cuz. The Giants were also successful last year in their Sunday night victory over the Skins in part by blitzing Cuz. One play in particular Cuz threw a terrible pass to a wide open Reed from the Gainst 19 yd ln in that game. If that is indded tyhe case. That'[s on the ciaches first and foremost for a lack of adjustment.

On the last INT I think that was on Cuz on two counts. His moving up in the pocket allowed #59 to move laterally to his rght and across MM's face/body and there wasn't a whole lot MM could do about it. Unless he has eyes in the back of his head and eye holes in his helmet. Had Cuz stayed at the deepest point of his dropback as opposed to moving forward #59 would've had to either go thorough MM bull rush manner or around him. Which I'm not sure would've happened as MM looked to have real good position and levearge to prevent both. The pass was a terrible decision on Cuz's part that I think DRC was trying to and succssfully did bait Cuz into throwing.

That said....not surprising that today we have new culprits as the reason the Skins lost the game from a professed KC back-getter. Who's also claiming Cuz didn't play that bad, cuz leading your team to no 1st half points and only 10 points for the game. Isn't that bad in this new Kirk Cousins is an elite quarterback world. Neither is a flat out terrible decision to throw a very ill advised pass that turned into a game clinching INT for the Giants.

I'd hate to see what would be said had there been some actual emotion involved in the OP's purely clinical assessment of the game yesterday.

Exactly. I am not emotional at all. I didn't post right away so I could clear my head because I was pissed too.

The three you say he missed, we don't see the progression...we just see the announcers saying a guy ended up open.

The OL can also be responsible for picking up DBs and on one of the sacks didn't the DB jump over the back? I agree that seeing the DB blitz is a weakness of KC.
The second pick is obviously on KC and I never said it wasn't. My point was the decision was right but the ball placed poorly. The first half was horrible all around but unless you are playing against the Redskins, even elite QBs struggle to complete 3rd and double digits.