HRs vs XBH

[MilkSpiller22]

Again, we are only talking 5X5, and all the other categories are traditional


This category argument, I never thought of making until a couple weeks ago in another debate... I realized that XBH is a better category for fantasy than HR is... Now, I understand HRs is probably everyone's favorite category, and because of that even if you agree that XBH is better than HR, you still would not change it(that's where I am)... But for right now, lets just debate which category is the better one for fantasy...

First let me explain the way I see categories in fantasy, I see them all to be stand alone stats, and there should not be multiple stats that give a certain type of player to big of an advantage... The problem we have now is that power batters are given 2 categories that are a clear advantage for them... that is RBIs and HRs... The typical speed guy can not help you at all in 2 categories, while the typical power hitter can not help you at all in only one... that is not balanced enough... It should not be what type of player is better it should be what player is better!!! and that is what XBH does... Yes, power bats still have the advantage in XBH, but now at least the average speed guy can contribute in this category... Now the speed guy can contribute in all 5 categories, even if they have a disadvantage in 3 of them(XBH,RBIs, Runs)... Yes I included runs as well, power scores more per AB than speed or any other type of player...

And No, Slugging % or XBH%, or OPS, are not good replacements for HR...

Yes, there are better solutions to this, but the whole point of categories is to keep the categories simple... and the most simple way I can see to take away the Immense advantage of the power hitter is by changing HR to XBH...

again, I believe the purpose of categories is to measure specific aspects of baseball without giving any type of player an advantage... Players themselves should be the advantage not the style of play they do...

 

[TKOSpikes]

HR advantages are probably the biggest part of baseball and fantasy baseball. It must be a cat by itself.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

HR advantages are probably the biggest part of baseball and fantasy baseball. It must be a cat by itself.

I agree that it will never be changed, and I would probably never vote against HRs as the category... But I really do think that XBH is the superior category... Or at least it is the best alternative I can see to decrease the advantage of a specific TYPE of player... Would not change RBIs or Runs because I just don't see how!!

 

[TKOSpikes]

I see what you're saying, but that's what baseball is about. Types of players. Taking that advantage away and "evening" up the playing field makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong I like the doubles factor (which is why I prefer points), but when trimming it down to 5 x 5 leaves no room.

 

[broncosmitty]

Id be fine with XBH instead of homers.

Not having doubles bothers me, XBH avoids that nuisance. More all encompassing.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I see what you're saying, but that's what baseball is about. Types of players. Taking that advantage away and "evening" up the playing field makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong I like the doubles factor (which is why I prefer points), but when trimming it down to 5 x 5 leaves no room.

I don't even care about the doubles factor... I just think it is a good thing that all types of players can contribute in the category... Power type is just too over-rated in fantasy... And it is not like power type would not still have the advantage if changed to XBH, it is just that they wont have THAT much of an advantage... and now it has more to do with player than type...

 

[obxyankeefan]

With what you are doing, you are heading towards 5 hitting cats of OBP, HR, SB, Run Production, and ?.

Run Production = Runs + RBIs - HRs

 

[MilkSpiller22]

With what you are doing, you are heading towards 5 hitting cats of OBP, HR, SB, Run Production, and ?.

Run Production = Runs + RBIs - HRs

I love the run Production stat - Runs+ RBIs- HRs... But categories need to be simple... That's why the only one i can see is XBH instead of HRs...

But if we did use it then the 5 categories would be RP,SB,BA,SB, BB/Ks

In fact i think BB/ks is the perfect 6th category if you want to have a 6th category... But you would have to use BA over OBP to use the full value...

 

[TKOSpikes]

It's kind of like saying add walks to SB, because you claim a speedster should gain an advantage in another category but aren't looking at the factor of the HR specialist being unable to gain anything in the SB cat. HR hitters aren't nor should be overrated.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It's kind of like saying add walks to SB, because you claim a speedster should gain an advantage in another category but aren't looking at the factor of the HR specialist being unable to gain anything in the SB cat. HR hitters aren't nor should be overrated.

Power hitters have 3 categories that give them an advantage... RBIs, Runs and HRs... Speed guys only have one category where they have an advantage... and that's SB... Changing to XBH wont change that, but what it does do is weakens the advantage... Or to be more exact, with XBH a non power hitter can contribute more... and by doing that now the player is more important than the type of player...

 

[TKOSpikes]

A SB cat player is usually up there in runs. As most are lead off hitters. Otherwise, you're talking about Jarrod Dyson, who doesn't deserve help anywhere else.

 

[TKOSpikes]

There is no such thing as a player when excluding types of players. They are all types. That's how you create a batting order.