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How do we evaluate Bruce Allen (Hopefully NOT another Kirk Cousins dominated) Thread

Stymietee

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Hired in 2009 as GM of our team, Bruce Allen has lasted longer than any current GM of any other professional sports team in Washington. Under his leadership the team has amassed a woeful 45-79-1 record and only 3 winning seasons in that time frame. One of those seasons which fairly could be attributed to Mike Shanahan who was granted control in 2012 adds to the futility that Allen has brought. Contrast that with his predecessor, Vinny Cerrato who served in the same capacity from 2002 -2009 who's 52-65 record was cause for his dismissal and you have to wonder what's keeping Allen in place?

Now it would be unfair to other posters to not mention the botched Kirk Cousins contract situation, and I don't want to turn this into testimony about Allen in that respect because it's hugely important, but not the focus of this thread.

Allen apparently hold some sway in relation to Snyder and his wanting to build a new stadium somewhere, but that's another 8 years or so away and keeping Allen around for that long based upon what he's already done seems a rather cruel thing to do to both the future hopes of this team in advancing towards playoff prominence and its' faithful followers desperate for a winning program.

Allen, son of a legendary NFL head coach, is a cap specialist, and as such, if retained, should be relegated to that task and that task alone. His public utterances are at times embarrassing, his record woeful and the systemic rot that he promised to eliminate, is at best, no better than it was before he took control Scott McCloughan’s tenure here and the promotion of Doug Williams to a near meaningless position says everything one would want to know about organizational dysfunction, something that Allen promised the faithful he'd eliminate on the day that he was hired.

Well, he's failed to deliver anything that was promised and by Washington standards should be sent packing. There doesn't seem to be any indication that such a move is in the making. Maybe in evaluating him what happens on the field is not an issue, after all, he promised that too would change and like everything else, didn't deliver that either. My question is how should Allen be evaluated?
 

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You evaluate BA based on success. His job is to build the team and the components. He is on his second coach and his first left disgruntled. He handled McCloughan horribly. He allowed two 1k yard WRs to leave in FA and still hasn’t signed KC long term.

BA should be fired.
 

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My question should have been....If none of this has been cause for Allen's dismissal, how should he be evaluated going forward?
 

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Allen has failed miserably. one thing that doesnt get mentioned is how much self inflicted turmoil on his watch . from shanny's to Rg3 to KC to SM
 

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Bruce has basically just carried on a tradition I noticed in play back in the Campbell/Cerrato era

Dont raise the bar, lower expectations but also remember its better to look good than be good.
 

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Rough L. I picked the Redskins -1.5 with the way the 'Boys were playing....

I think Gruden is gone and ditto with KC. If they tank from here on out (not hard with that MASH unit OL) they could end up with a solid QB prospect in the draft.....














I post in here because I as a loyal Raiders fan feel for you guys.
 

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Home and 3 beers in......


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Home and 3 beers in......


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No @DJ is just a fuck, lol. Seriously everyone not sure what DJ wrote because I’m to lazy to scroll up but I can corfirm the man or ugly woman is smartass but is a goodfella.
 

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Bruce has basically just carried on a tradition I noticed in play back in the Campbell/Cerrato era

Dont raise the bar, lower expectations but also remember its better to look good than be good.

Yep - this is where in the end it all comes down to Snyder. Has he finally reached the pt where winning is really the only thing that matters to him? He (along w/ other NFL owners) basically has a license to print money at this time so you would have to think that it bothers him that they are still a long ways away from being a SB contender.

Honestly none of us really know what goes through that man's head at this time. IMO to be truly successful they need to put the future of the team in the hands of a true GM. Allen is great for $$ and Admin type decisions, but he is not the best personnel man. I thought that hiring SM was a great move since it at least showed that they wanted to run this team like most of the good NFL franchises. If they got rid of him fine, but at that pt they should have identified a true NFL GM as his replacement & they still have time to make this type of move now.

Is someone like D. Williams capable of filling this position? Perhaps, but he seems like more of a figurehead. However they could still go w/ someone like him, but give him actually power & don't just have him be the face for moves actually made by Snyder & Allen. IMO organizationally there are a lot of moves that the Skins could make this offseason that could go a long ways in making this team more solid, but as a Redskins fan I doubt that any of this will happen.

Here's to happen that I am wrong & this team does whatever it takes this offseason to improve & be a solid contender next season. HTTR.
 
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