Heard this this morning and thought that it would be interesting to get input from you guys!

[SoCalWizFan]

Every front office does, or atleast SHOULD take fan reaction into consideration to some degree. After all, its we the fans that ultimately help keep the team afloat. Now Im not saying you base moves off of a fan vote or anything silly like that. But the difference between a half empty stadium in week 14, and a full house is sometimes based off of fan sentiment towards the players. Especially if the team has had a rough year.

I also think at the end of it, our GM doesnt need to get US excited so much as the FAN who actually writes his check. I think in the end, if we move on from Kirk and make a play for one of the QBs in the draft, Dan will have more to do with it than any of us.

That just isn't as true in this era as it may have been years ago. TV revenue drives everything & even teams w/ empty stadiums will make a fortune. In the end empty stands in week 14 are the product of a losing team - not the absence of sexy, star players. Having guys like Johnny Football or RG3 on your team don't mean squat if they are not winning.

I maintain that teams should almost completely ignore fan reaction & just do the rt thing. Heck - remember those screaming Eagles fans years ago booing the selection of McNaab since they wanted Ricky Williams. I am sure that most of them were thrilled that the FO ignored those clowns (to get the Eagles version of McNaab - not the horrible, aging one on the Redskins).

I also believe that you are overplaying the Snyder effect. I have seen nothing in the past few years to indicate that he is meddling & I am pretty sure that SM would walk if this started to rear its ugly head again. The recent results for this organization certainly could be somewhat better. However - one good thing is that I really don't see any signs of the dysfunctional organization that was at play in the relatively recent past.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The only way they don't work out a long term deal is because KC doesn't want to. Hell, he may want out of this place. I do believe he is a bit butt hurt over a perceived lack of respect for him here. Kind of explains the "do you like me now" outburst after the GB game.

I believe that this is overplayed. If you look at Cousins' Twitter page he really appears to show a love for the DC area and his team. I have also been told that he and SM actually get along quite well. I believe that the incident after the Packers game was just heat of the moment & more in fun than in anger.

Sure he may feel somewhat disrespected, but in the end I think that he realizes that this is a business. Now if they really lowball him again it may be a different story. However - I don't see that happening unless the FO is totally cocky and misguided.

 

[deanpet21]

The only way they don't work out a long term deal is because KC doesn't want to. Hell, he may want out of this place. I do believe he is a bit butt hurt over a perceived lack of respect for him here. Kind of explains the "do you like me now" outburst after the GB game.

The do you like me know outburst refers to last offseason where SM lowballed the Shit out ok KC. I think that last offer was 16M annually. KC took this as they don't want me here. So this is why I don't think he going to sign a team friedly deal and that is why I think he is going to ask for the Luck deal.

 

[deanpet21]

I believe that this is overplayed. If you look at Cousins' Twitter page he really appears to show a love for the DC area and his team. I have also been told that he and SM actually get along quite well. I believe that the incident after the Packers game was just heat of the moment & more in fun than in anger.

Sure he may feel somewhat disrespected, but in the end I think that he realizes that this is a business. Now if they really lowball him again it may be a different story. However - I don't see that happening unless the FO is totally cocky and misguided.

You are right this is a business and KC has all the leverage. Do you think KC will ask for the Luck deal?

 

[j_y19]

I believe that this is overplayed. If you look at Cousins' Twitter page he really appears to show a love for the DC area and his team. I have also been told that he and SM actually get along quite well. I believe that the incident after the Packers game was just heat of the moment & more in fun than in anger.

Sure he may feel somewhat disrespected, but in the end I think that he realizes that this is a business. Now if they really lowball him again it may be a different story. However - I don't see that happening unless the FO is totally cocky and misguided.

I do agree that if they treat him with respect during this process, he will accept a deal. but if they start of with a huge lowball offer, all bets are off. I also think its a mistake to tag him with the expectation that you can work out a long term deal after the fact. Because once he signs a deal for $24M, that is now his starting point, in his agent's mind. That is what happened last year.
Since I believe that SM is a realistic GM, I do fully expect them to come to an agreement in relatively short order. It just makes sense for both sides. KC is going to be paid. Everyone knows this. So stop fucking around and get a deal done. The last thing we need is to enter FA and the draft with a question mark as to if we have a qb or not. It changes our entire approach to the order of problems we have to address.

 

[kbso83432]

My thoughts on Kirk's wishlist.

1. Get paid and play somewhere else for either Kyle, McVay, or someone else.

2. Get paid and play here

3. Play on the franchise tag.

 

[Sharkinva]

I do agree that if they treat him with respect during this process, he will accept a deal. but if they start of with a huge lowball offer, all bets are off. I also think its a mistake to tag him with the expectation that you can work out a long term deal after the fact. Because once he signs a deal for $24M, that is now his starting point, in his agent's mind. That is what happened last year.
Since I believe that SM is a realistic GM, I do fully expect them to come to an agreement in relatively short order. It just makes sense for both sides. KC is going to be paid. Everyone knows this. So stop fucking around and get a deal done. The last thing we need is to enter FA and the draft with a question mark as to if we have a qb or not. It changes our entire approach to the order of problems we have to address.

This assumes that they havent already decided a course of action. If they tag Kirk, Im thinking its already been decided to move forward in a different direction. If they give him the non exclusive tag, then I would think they are hoping some one else signs him and is willing to part with the required picks, or something our GM finds more valuable. Say Kyle gets the NIners job, and he convinces the Niners front office Kirk is worth the #3 pick and a 3rd rounder.... Im thinking Scott jumps on that with an eye on one of the three QBs being mentioned. Also thinking to secure the QB of choice, they then offer the Browns the #3 and the #17 for the #1 and the #33 pick.

We then start the season with McCoy, and hopefully work the rookie in later on if McCoy cant get it done.

This wouldnt be my plan of choice, but lets nt say its out of the realm of possibility.. we are the Redskins after all.

 

[deanpet21]

My thoughts on Kirk's wishlist.

1. Get paid and play somewhere else for either Kyle, McVay, or someone else.

2. Get paid and play here

3. Play on the franchise tag.

If Kyle or Mcvay gets the SF job this could get interesting.

 

[deanpet21]

This assumes that they havent already decided a course of action. If they tag Kirk, Im thinking its already been decided to move forward in a different direction. If they give him the non exclusive tag, then I would think they are hoping some one else signs him and is willing to part with the required picks, or something our GM finds more valuable. Say Kyle gets the NIners job, and he convinces the Niners front office Kirk is worth the #3 pick and a 3rd rounder.... Im thinking Scott jumps on that with an eye on one of the three QBs being mentioned. Also thinking to secure the QB of choice, they then offer the Browns the #3 and the #17 for the #1 and the #33 pick.

We then start the season with McCoy, and hopefully work the rookie in later on if McCoy cant get it done.

This wouldnt be my plan of choice, but lets nt say its out of the realm of possibility.. we are the Redskins after all.

lol. this is crazy. Lets see if Kyle gets the 49ers job first. Its going to be an interesting offseason no matter how you look at it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I do agree that if they treat him with respect during this process, he will accept a deal. but if they start of with a huge lowball offer, all bets are off. I also think its a mistake to tag him with the expectation that you can work out a long term deal after the fact. Because once he signs a deal for $24M, that is now his starting point, in his agent's mind. That is what happened last year.
Since I believe that SM is a realistic GM, I do fully expect them to come to an agreement in relatively short order. It just makes sense for both sides. KC is going to be paid. Everyone knows this. So stop fucking around and get a deal done. The last thing we need is to enter FA and the draft with a question mark as to if we have a qb or not. It changes our entire approach to the order of problems we have to address.

Go look at that WP article today that explains Cousins' options (I posted it in another thread). It gives a good overview of the situation. I basically agree with what you are stating. However - in terms of the tag - it depends. They might tag him just to give them a little more time (months not years) to work out the permanent deal. I think that in either case they will work this out over the next few months. Some folks appear to want everything worked out rt away. They need to calm down - this is being done for the benefit of the team - not to appease or entertain fans.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

My thoughts on Kirk's wishlist.

1. Get paid and play somewhere else for either Kyle, McVay, or someone else.

2. Get paid and play here

3. Play on the franchise tag.

Disagree. As I stated elsewhere I truly believe that Cousins has a love for the Redskins & the DC area and wants to stay w/ the Redskins. This idea that he someone is totally pissed & can't wait to get out of DC sounds like nonsense to me. However - he will need to get paid decently. If SM & co. basically slap him in the face with a lowball offer then you may be correct. However - if they take that approach they are risking their own future.

 

[kbso83432]

I would hate to lose McVay, but he has a second interview scheduled with the Rams.

 

[kbso83432]

Disagree. As I stated elsewhere I truly believe that Cousins has a love for the Redskins & the DC area and wants to stay w/ the Redskins. This idea that he someone is totally pissed & can't wait to get out of DC sounds like nonsense to me. However - he will need to get paid decently. If SM & co. basically slap him in the face with a lowball offer then you may be correct. However - if they take that approach they are risking their own future.

Agree to disagree.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Agree to disagree.

So you think that Cousins is basically chomping at the bit to get out of DC? That generally is a media portrayal & usually presented by folks who don't cover the Redskins. With the rt amount of $$ why in the world would Cousins won't to go to some crap team like the 49ers or Rams? I don't care if is with a coach he has worked with before.
It would still involve working w/ unfamiliar & less talented teammates. It likely would also involve working with an inferior O line that would expose his weaknesses and perhaps get him hurt.

Again - all signs pt to him being very happy in DC and also being on the Redskins. The flak with SM appears to be very much exaggerated. If they offer him big money I don't think that he has any issue whatsoever with the team. Please - do tell - what exactly would be so attractive to Cousins to motivate him to bolt for a team like the 49ers. Assuming that the Skins give him good money I find it impossible to comprehend him wanting to leave.

 

[ehb5]

This assumes that they havent already decided a course of action. If they tag Kirk, Im thinking its already been decided to move forward in a different direction. If they give him the non exclusive tag, then I would think they are hoping some one else signs him and is willing to part with the required picks, or something our GM finds more valuable. Say Kyle gets the NIners job, and he convinces the Niners front office Kirk is worth the #3 pick and a 3rd rounder.... Im thinking Scott jumps on that with an eye on one of the three QBs being mentioned. Also thinking to secure the QB of choice, they then offer the Browns the #3 and the #17 for the #1 and the #33 pick.

We then start the season with McCoy, and hopefully work the rookie in later on if McCoy cant get it done.

This wouldnt be my plan of choice, but lets nt say its out of the realm of possibility.. we are the Redskins after all.

If we do all that and then take a qb at 1 I will vomit.

 

[ehb5]

If McVay or Shanahan get hired somewhere do we think it's possible kirk gets tagged and somebody does give us 2 first round picks for kirk?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If McVay or Shanahan get hired somewhere do we think it's possible kirk gets tagged and somebody does give us 2 first round picks for kirk?

Nobody is giving up 2 #1 picks for a QB not named Rodgers especially when the team making the trade might be holding top 5 picks in both drafts. Beyond that any sort of trade like this might cause a Redskins fan revolt. Would you be happy if the team basically just told you to wait until 2019 before the team really had a chance?
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[ehb5]

Nobody is giving up 2 #1 picks for a QB not named Rodgers especially when the team making the trade might be holding top 5 picks in both drafts. Beyond that any sort of trade like this might cause a Redskins fan revolt. Would you be happy if the team basically just told you to wait until 2019 before the team really had a chance?
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I don't see why that means we can't compete until 2019. But you're probably right nobody would give us the picks anyways especially since they'd likely just have to wait a year to get him anyways in that case.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't see why that means we can't compete until 2019. But you're probably right nobody would give us the picks anyways especially since they'd likely just have to wait a year to get him anyways in that case.

I dont see us getting two 1st rounders. But I could see a 1st and say a 3rd, which Scot would jump all over. Which as I stated earlier would give us the Ammo to grab a QB if the team so desired. So Im hopig McVey stays put and Kyle goes to the Rams

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I don't see why that means we can't compete until 2019. But you're probably right nobody would give us the picks anyways especially since they'd likely just have to wait a year to get him anyways in that case.

They could get lucky & find a Wilson or a Prescott to contribute rt away. However - those are way more the exceptions than the rule. It sounds like several folks here don't believe that he Skins will keep Cousins around for a while. Everyone is buying the media hype on this one. I believe more than ever that they are going to get this done & Cousins will be on the Redskins for a long time.