Heard this this morning and thought that it would be interesting to get input from you guys!

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01-09-17 Cooley & Kevin HR 4
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Redskins @ 10! If Scot McCloughan told you he's got a QB for next season that isn't Kirk Cousins would you trust him? Plus, a preview of the Alabama-Clemson National Championship! (Date Added: 1/9/17)

 

[skinsdad62]

2 big points , first they say you can sign KC and still build the defense true 2nd they say we will suck for 2 years

now in answer to the question , you would have to say yes if your GM says i can find the qb we need or we have him already

now can the breed's of the world live with 2 years of suckage

 

[redskinsfan]

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle. Until you've got a hypothetical that has some real legs, you can postulate a zillion things in the form of one.

 

[Sharkinva]

If he has a plan, sure roll with it. But every one would also need to realize, it likely means a new Head Coach next year unless we get seriously lucky.

Side note, unless that QB is named McCoy or Sudfield, he doesnt have a QB... he has a QB he would like to get. IF that guy is a free agent or a draft pick, there are no guarantees. So unless that QB is on roster, the best he could come out and say is, I have my eye on some one who could do better than Kirk and Im willing to risk losing Kirk AND not getting this guy.


But other than that.. .sounds peachy.

 

[j_y19]

If he has a plan, sure roll with it. But every one would also need to realize, it likely means a new Head Coach next year unless we get seriously lucky.

Side note, unless that QB is named McCoy or Sudfield, he doesnt have a QB... he has a QB he would like to get. IF that guy is a free agent or a draft pick, there are no guarantees. So unless that QB is on roster, the best he could come out and say is, I have my eye on some one who could do better than Kirk and Im willing to risk losing Kirk AND not getting this guy.


But other than that.. .sounds peachy.

McCoy is also a FA this year, I beleive. So he doesn't "have" him, either. Although I don't expect there will be much demand for him again this year. That should tell you something.

 

[Sharkinva]

McCoy is also a FA this year, I beleive. So he doesn't "have" him, either. Although I don't expect there will be much demand for him again this year. That should tell you something.

McCoy is actually signed thrrough 2018.

But if the GM came out and said... we are going to move forward with Colt McCoy as our starter and let Cousins hit free agency... I can only think of 1-3 people who would do a happy dance at that moment. And roughly 70% of the fan base would probably begin putting their season tickets on stubhub.

 

[kbso83432]

No, I wouldn't trust him. If he told me he could get Watson at 17 and Watson is the next Russell Wilson, and that 24m will go toward Jefferson from Arizona and Short from Carolina, then maybe.

Like the stability Scot has brought. Love the fact that he got a guys like Crowder, and replaced Chris Chester with a Pro Bowler like Scherff. Blackmon, Nsekhe, Dunbar, Jarrett, Fat Rob, Sua, Foster.........

BUT, when it comes to the QB positon, Scot is the guy that took Alex Smith #1 overall. Scot is the guy that gave Matt Flynn at that money the year they drafted Wilson. Scot is the guy that passed on Dak Prescott a few times.

Now the question is, if you are Dan, and Scot says, "you told me I had final say." Do you keep Jay and Kirk, let Scot step down, and go back to the clown show we had running this team, or do you lose two of the main cogs that had your offense top 3 in the league all year and start over with a whole new system and most likely a rookie qb?

 

[skinsdad62]

look a lot of people passed on dak plus he got wilson

 

[kbso83432]

My point is his evaluaton skills when it comes to the position have not been spot free. That would weight in my mind if I was asked to trust Scot and let Kirk walk. All reports I've seen say the Skins would like to sign Kirk long term before FA even begins. But for arguments sake, I would have a hard time trusting him based on 4 things....

1. The history of the QB position in this franchise over the last 25 years.

2. Kirk's numbers.

3. Scot's spotty history when it comes to the position.

4. The lack of a clear alternative.

 

[Sharkinva]

look a lot of people passed on dak plus he got wilson

Getting Wilson and Dak for that matter was more luck than skill. Both players were drafted as project players. Same for Brady, and Romo for that matter. If a GM has even the slightest inkling that a guy WILL 100% be a franchise QB, you dont let it ride until the 3rd round or later. If it were that simple, no one would draft QBs in the first round, and simply put most teams would simply let their starter walk if he got to a point where he was considered too expensive.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If he has a plan, sure roll with it. But every one would also need to realize, it likely means a new Head Coach next year unless we get seriously lucky.

Side note, unless that QB is named McCoy or Sudfield, he doesnt have a QB... he has a QB he would like to get. IF that guy is a free agent or a draft pick, there are no guarantees. So unless that QB is on roster, the best he could come out and say is, I have my eye on some one who could do better than Kirk and Im willing to risk losing Kirk AND not getting this guy.


But other than that.. .sounds peachy.

Again if the Redskins were to move on to a new QB (doubtful & ill advised) it would almost certainly have to come via the draft. Almost every decent QB in the NFL is currently with the team that drafted him. Teams do not cut or trade QBs unless they are aging, have injury or other concerns or outright suck. The two notable exceptions are Brees and Alex Smith & both of those were the result of very unusual circumstances.

If the Redskins move on from Cousins & draft a QB be prepared for an extended rebuild. A Prescott or Wilson could fall into their lap, but fans should not expect this to occur.

 

[Sharkinva]

This will make a couple of posters feel warm and fuzzy.


2017 NFL Mock Draft: Post Wild Card Round Predictions

The Washington Redskins franchise-tagged quarterback Kirk Cousins last offseason in hopes that his price would go down or he would sign a team-friendly contract before the 2017 season. As of this point, even though Washington missed the playoffs, neither outcome seems likely.

If Cousins hits the open market, he should net about $25 million a year—similar to his salary under a second consecutive franchise tag from Washington. Even if the team does slap the tag on him again, there's a chance that Cousins holds out on principle or demands a trade.

At some point, you have to ask yourself how much trouble you're willing to go through to pay a quarterback more than he's worth (even if the market dictates it). If Washington decides that Pierre Garcon, DeSean Jackson, Jamison Crowder, Josh Doctson, Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis are enough pass-catching weapons to transition a quarterback in, you might see a controversy similar to when the Cincinnati Bengals drafted Andy Dalton with Carson Palmer still on the roster.

If Mitch Trubisky of North Carolina is still on the board here, he'd be an interesting candidate. Though he only started for one year in a spread-heavy system, he compares similarly to Ryan Tannehill as a prospect.

Would you rather have current Cousins for $100 million over four years, or a Tannehill clone, who at this point in the draft would make about $11 million over four years? The choice is simple if you're willing to buy into the passer.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Shark - something similar was posted in another thread. For starters Trubisky will be drafted much higher than at 17. Beyond that the people who run Bleacher Report are morons.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark - something similar was posted in another thread. For starters Trubisky will be drafted much higher than at 17. Beyond that the people who run Bleacher Report are morons.

I agree with you for the most part. But Johnny Football was not supposed to last past the tenth pick a few years back. And you can bet that if we tag Kirk, there will be a contengent screaming for which ever of the three (Watson, Trubiscuits, or the Kizer-roll) slips to 17. Because I think one of these three is there at 17. And going that route would please some people.

 

[skinsdad62]

boy i sure hope we dont go that route . money isnt an issue for us this year or next so why start all over again ?

tannehill is still developing

 

[Sportster 72]

true dad and Cousins is still developing too. He only has two years as a starter. Hopefully all of our players are still developing throughout their career.

 

[chillerdab]

I don't see how GMSM passes on KC and retains his job, frankly.

It's a qb driven league, and the majority of the teams in the playoffs every year (this year, less Texans and Chiefs, you could argue) all have above average qb's. KC's stats are above average. He's going to get paid by somebody, and it might as well be the redskins.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree with you for the most part. But Johnny Football was not supposed to last past the tenth pick a few years back. And you can bet that if we tag Kirk, there will be a contengent screaming for which ever of the three (Watson, Trubiscuits, or the Kizer-roll) slips to 17. Because I think one of these three is there at 17. And going that route would please some people.

Understand but really who freaking cares how the fans feel about who they should draft. That is a Vinny type philosophy. If the FO drafts a QB in round 1 then IMO they are basically rolling the dice & pretty much saying that they are willing to get fired after next season if things don't work out rt since a move like that won't pay dividends for a while & could really screw up the team chemistry. BTW - I still think that all signs point to an extension for Cousins - have a hard time seeing it any other way.

 

[j_y19]

Understand but really who freaking cares how the fans feel about who they should draft. That is a Vinny type philosophy. If the FO drafts a QB in round 1 then IMO they are basically rolling the dice & pretty much saying that they are willing to get fired after next season if things don't work out rt since a move like that won't pay dividends for a while & could really screw up the team chemistry. BTW - I still think that all signs point to an extension for Cousins - have a hard time seeing it any other way.

The only way they don't work out a long term deal is because KC doesn't want to. Hell, he may want out of this place. I do believe he is a bit butt hurt over a perceived lack of respect for him here. Kind of explains the "do you like me now" outburst after the GB game.

 

[Sharkinva]

Understand but really who freaking cares how the fans feel about who they should draft. That is a Vinny type philosophy. If the FO drafts a QB in round 1 then IMO they are basically rolling the dice & pretty much saying that they are willing to get fired after next season if things don't work out rt since a move like that won't pay dividends for a while & could really screw up the team chemistry. BTW - I still think that all signs point to an extension for Cousins - have a hard time seeing it any other way.

Every front office does, or atleast SHOULD take fan reaction into consideration to some degree. After all, its we the fans that ultimately help keep the team afloat. Now Im not saying you base moves off of a fan vote or anything silly like that. But the difference between a half empty stadium in week 14, and a full house is sometimes based off of fan sentiment towards the players. Especially if the team has had a rough year.

I also think at the end of it, our GM doesnt need to get US excited so much as the FAN who actually writes his check. I think in the end, if we move on from Kirk and make a play for one of the QBs in the draft, Dan will have more to do with it than any of us.