H2H points discussion for new dynasty

[MilkSpiller22]

here are the people that said they are in

1. @MilkSpiller22
2. @TKOSpikes
3. @Chef99
4. @Yellow Fuzzies
5. @obxyankeefan
6. @redseat
7. @broncosmitty
8. @murph11494
9. @catman
10. @bksballer89
11. @molsaniceman
12. @jwolt92
13. @Shanemansj13

potential others are
@da55bums and the 2 that broncosmitty said he had, and jwolts brother




I really dont care if we have an odd number of players... i dont think it matters as much in dynasty... even in H2H...


We have not yet set the amount of owners but we need to start moving...


H2H points won the battle... so lets start talking about how we want to create the points...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Here was @TKOSpikes original Proposal for us to start with...

Batter
Single 1 point
Double 2 points
Triple 3 points
HR 4 points
Run 1 point
RBI 1 point (so yes, a solo HR would be 6)
SB 1.5 points
BB 0.5 points
KO -0.5 points

4-4 with four solo HR = 24

Pitcher
KO 1 point
BB -0.25 points
Hit -0.25 points (any hit against, single->HR)
IP 0.5 points
QS 2.5 points
W 3.5 points
SO 3.5 points
Run -1 point (earned or not)
L -2.5 points

Perfect game with 10 K’s = 24

 

[redseat]

Here was @TKOSpikes original Proposal for us to start with...

Batter
Single 1 point
Double 2 points
Triple 3 points
HR 4 points
Run 1 point
RBI 1 point (so yes, a solo HR would be 6)
SB 1.5 points
BB 0.5 points
KO -0.5 points

4-4 with four solo HR = 24

Pitcher
KO 1 point
BB -0.25 points
Hit -0.25 points (any hit against, single->HR)
IP 0.5 points
QS 2.5 points
W 3.5 points
SO 3.5 points
Run -1 point (earned or not)
L -2.5 points

Perfect game with 10 K’s = 24

What's just a perfect game? Or does it have to be a perfect game AND 10 ks? for 24 points? If that's the case I don't like that as you should get 24 points for a perfect game regardless of how many Ks you have

I think Runs should only be if EARNED (losing 1 point) Half a Point loss for an unearned run

 

[MilkSpiller22]

my proposal

Offense

Hits- 1.75
BB-1
XBH-2
HR-2
SB-1.5
Runs-1
RBIs- 1
AB- -.5
KO- -.75
GIDP- -1.5


Pitching

IP=.5
RELIEF IP=1
SO= 2
QS=3
W=3
CG=5
Saves=5
Holds=4
BB= -2
Hits=-1
Runs=-1
Loss=-2
BS=-2

Pitching IMO needs more amendment than hitting...

I actually think we should talk about roster size before scoring... Because it needs to be near equal between pitching and offense...

 

[obxyankeefan]

TB = 1
Hits = 1
Runs = 1
RBIs = 1
SB = 1
BB = .5
AB = -.5
GIDP = -.5

Pitchers

IP = 1.5 or .5 for each out
Wins = 3
Saves = 3
Holds = 2
Blown Saves = -3
Losses = -3
Hits = -1
Walks = -1
Earned Runs = -1
Unearned Runs = -.5
Strikeouts = 1
QS = 1
CG = 2

Just thinking out loud right now

 

[TKOSpikes]

What's just a perfect game? Or does it have to be a perfect game AND 10 ks? for 24 points? If that's the case I don't like that as you should get 24 points for a perfect game regardless of how many Ks you have

I think Runs should only be if EARNED (losing 1 point) Half a Point loss for an unearned run

well, it was baked into it. A perfect game consists of all the points gathered (and avoided minuses) of everything.

9 innings = 4.5
Shut Out = 3.5
Win = 3.5
QS = 2.5
10 Ks = 10 (I just chose that to show the equal comparison to the 4-4 hitter)

plus the PG extra is not losing points on walks or hits or runs.

but yeah, was just a starter board

 

[TKOSpikes]

my proposal

Offense

Hits- 1.75
BB-1
XBH-2
HR-2
SB-1.5
Runs-1
RBIs- 1
AB- -.5
KO- -.75
GIDP- -1.5


Pitching

IP=.5
RELIEF IP=1
SO= 2
QS=3
W=3
CG=5
Saves=5
Holds=4
BB= -2
Hits=-1
Runs=-1
Loss=-2
BS=-2

Pitching IMO needs more amendment than hitting...

I actually think we should talk about roster size before scoring... Because it needs to be near equal between pitching and offense...

Yes. Roster size is important, as is daily vs weekly lineups.

 

[redseat]

well, it was baked into it. A perfect game consists of all the points gathered (and avoided minuses) of everything.

9 innings = 4.5
Shut Out = 3.5
Win = 3.5
QS = 2.5
10 Ks = 10 (I just chose that to show the equal comparison to the 4-4 hitter)

plus the PG extra is not losing points on walks or hits or runs.

but yeah, was just a starter board

Wasn't trying to call you out just didn't truly get why the 10 Ks were put in a perfect game but I understand it now. How many perfect games have also had 10 ks or more?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yes. Roster size is important, as is daily vs weekly lineups.

I wont even let that become a debate... It will be Weekly Lineups...

 

[redseat]

Edit

Spoiler

if I counted correctly HALF (11) out of 21 have had 10Ks or more. Holy crap!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

when it comes to offense, I like separating it by H, XBH, HR...

Hits and XBH is basically universal stats that all types of players can get and you don't need a HR hitter to get them... allows every type of player to stay valuable...

 

[obxyankeefan]

when it comes to offense, I like separating it by H, XBH, HR...

Hits and XBH is basically universal stats that all types of players can get and you don't need a HR hitter to get them... allows every type of player to stay valuable...

That is why I like to use Total Bases and then do Hits separately.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Wasn't trying to call you out just didn't truly get why the 10 Ks were put in a perfect game but I understand it now. How many perfect games have also had 10 ks or more?

no pressure. Call outs welcome.

just explaining that the 10 k is irrelevant. I only used it to compare to a hitter’s “perfect game” (I realize homers would be perfect, but I would assume 4-4 is more relevant for a comparison... though perhaps I should have used “hitting for the cycle”)

and to add... my thoughts are the top hitters should be somewhat equal to the top hitters.

I think the other options listed are doing that as well.

 

[molsaniceman]

my proposal

Offense

Hits- 1.75
BB-1
XBH-2
HR-2
SB-1.5
Runs-1
RBIs- 1
AB- -.5
KO- -.75
GIDP- -1.5


Pitching

IP=.5
RELIEF IP=1
SO= 2
QS=3
W=3
CG=5
Saves=5
Holds=4
BB= -2
Hits=-1
Runs=-1
Loss=-2
BS=-2

Pitching IMO needs more amendment than hitting...

I actually think we should talk about roster size before scoring... Because it needs to be near equal between pitching and offense...

heres what this gets u with the top 12 from last year looks fair now remember this is 60 games and also couldnt do the RP IP seperate
top reliever was hendricks with 150 points

 

[molsaniceman]

no pressure. Call outs welcome.

just explaining that the 10 k is irrelevant. I only used it to compare to a hitter’s “perfect game” (I realize homers would be perfect, but I would assume 4-4 is more relevant for a comparison... though perhaps I should have used “hitting for the cycle”)

and to add... my thoughts are the top hitters should be somewhat equal to the top hitters.

I think the other options listed are doing that as well.

dont u mean pitchers?

 

[Chef99]

I'm in @TKOSpikes corner on this one.

 

[TKOSpikes]

dont u mean pitchers?

yup...

 

[molsaniceman]

Here was @TKOSpikes original Proposal for us to start with...

Batter
Single 1 point
Double 2 points
Triple 3 points
HR 4 points
Run 1 point
RBI 1 point (so yes, a solo HR would be 6)
SB 1.5 points
BB 0.5 points
KO -0.5 points

4-4 with four solo HR = 24

Pitcher
KO 1 point
BB -0.25 points
Hit -0.25 points (any hit against, single->HR)
IP 0.5 points
QS 2.5 points
W 3.5 points
SO 3.5 points
Run -1 point (earned or not)
L -2.5 points

Perfect game with 10 K’s = 24

this doesnt use relievers no holds or saves and should have both so all pitchers can be used
heres the top 12 with this

 

[molsaniceman]

this doesnt use relievers no holds or saves and should have both so all pitchers can be used
heres the top 12 with this
View attachment 266201

top reliever is devin williams with 72
hendricks had 48

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

I wont even let that become a debate... It will be Weekly Lineups...

Weekly it must be. Life is too busy for daily,