Griff to Roberts Film Breakdown

[Caliskinsfan]

Ouch.

 

[j_y19]

The problem is that when griffin breaks out of the pocket, he is first looking to run. His eyes are not always downfield, but on the defender he thinks he needs to juke in front of him. Romo is the best at this. He breaks free of the pocket but is always looking to pass. Once he is out of traffic, he settles. Griffin doesn't, he continues to drift toward the sideline. He needs to get away from the traffic, then reset and if find the open man, throw it away or sprint to the sideline for short gains.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

The problem is that when griffin breaks out of the pocket, he is first looking to run. His eyes are not always downfield, but on the defender he thinks he needs to juke in front of him. Romo is the best at this. He breaks free of the pocket but is always looking to pass. Once he is out of traffic, he settles. Griffin doesn't, he continues to drift toward the sideline. He needs to get away from the traffic, then reset and if find the open man, throw it away or sprint to the sideline for short gains.

In this film breakdown, is Griff looking to run first? Breaking football plays down, is not my strength.

Looks like he's hesitating, just not releasing soon enough and trusting his receiver...

 

[j_y19]

In this film breakdown, is Griff looking to run first? Breaking football plays down, is not my strength.

Looks like he's hesitating, just not releasing soon enough and trusting his receiver...

How can he not trust a guy that was open by 10 yards? He just didn't see him initially because he wasn't looking down field. He was looking at the LB that was coming toward him. IF you notice in the last few frames, the outside WR was also wide open right in front of him. He just never saw either of them until it was too late.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

How can he not trust a guy that was open by 10 yards? He just didn't see him initially because he wasn't looking down field. He was looking at the LB that was coming toward him. IF you notice in the last few frames, the outside WR was also wide open right in front of him. He just never saw either of them until it was too late.

Gotcha. I'm assuming this can only be learned by taking live reps in real games? Or even more concerning, may never be learned? Or is this something that can be simulated in practice?

 

[j_y19]

Well, you need to have live ammo coming at you to truly experience the speed. This is a bad habit from his college days where he was the best athlete on the field and could turn that up for a huge gain. If he doesn't learn how to do this, he will not make it as a pocket passer, just like vick never really learned it. There have been some that learned how to do it. Steve Young comes to mind.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Well, you need to have live ammo coming at you to truly experience the speed. This is a bad habit from his college days where he was the best athlete on the field and could turn that up for a huge gain. If he doesn't learn how to do this, he will not make it as a pocket passer, just like vick never really learned it. There have been some that learned how to do it. Steve Young comes to mind.

Makes sense. I get why fans are divided in terms of Griffs progress. I fall in the middle myself.

Think he needs to be given more time to gain live reps and progress, but not unlimited time.

 

[skinsdad62]

young running qbs do this a lot . they revert to their best trait (running ) when facing pressure

if you looked at the kaep breakdown you see the same thing

kaep is in year 4 has a good o/line and a stellar defense a good running game and good wrs and that makes up for this

one day the script will be flipped and he will carry the day

Rg3 will have to work through this but that o/line has to make better stands in the mean time . not saying that is the o/lines fault but i am saying that is the solution

 

[KickSaveDave]

Ouch.

RGIII looks downfield and spots him. Should pull the trigger straight away. So much open field for Roberts. pic.twitter.com/LOHm0fsyqA

— Mark Bullock (@MarkBullockNFL) September 10, 2014

When I see this image, if RGIII makes a half decent pass here, Roberts can moonwalk backwards into the end zone. The closest defender is the safety and he has his back to Roberts.

Awful miss by RGIII. Cost us a TD, a possession at minimum.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I see what you guys are seeing, no doubt he was late on a p;ay that should have been a huge play. But again these are correctable problems, it's just a matter of will he correct them. I tell you what is not correctable, if he had thrown behind or at the feet of receivers. I would have felt much worse if he had pulled a Colt McCoy and thrown on time but missed a wide open receiver.

 

[Sharkinva]

I see what you guys are seeing, no doubt he was late on a p;ay that should have been a huge play. But again these are correctable problems, it's just a matter of will he correct them. I tell you what is not correctable, if he had thrown behind or at the feet of receivers. I would have felt much worse if he had pulled a Colt McCoy and thrown on time but missed a wide open receiver.

Actually I would rather see him throw on time and miss than not throw on time and still miss. Accuracy can be corrected, slow response time or poor decision making will haunt you in alot more areas.

 

[Sportster 72]

A lot of people observed last year that Griffin doesn't focus well downfield when he is running or rolling out. Instead he focuses more on the line and closing defenders. Some of the former Redskins felt like Griffin does better when he rolls to the left which is opposite and considered more difficult.

 

[Mitziman]

Well, he damn sure was wide freakin' open! It reminds me of the putt I missed in last Saturday's skins game...My 3 ft birdie putt on number #11 would have held, and won me a cool $90...but, it was a "bad read" on my part.

Oh well, maybe next Saturday?

 

[martinez]

young running qbs do this a lot . they revert to their best trait (running ) when facing pressure

if you looked at the kaep breakdown you see the same thing

kaep is in year 4 has a good o/line and a stellar defense a good running game and good wrs and that makes up for this

one day the script will be flipped and he will carry the day

Rg3 will have to work through this but that o/line has to make better stands in the mean time . not saying that is the o/lines fault but i am saying that is the solution

this was an awful play by rg3. i agree that a way to fix it is to have better pass protection, that way he will not have to scramble in the first place. scrambling and still finding an open wr is probably russell wilsons best asset. its also funny that you can see watt pushing polumbus 5 yards back into rg3 causing him to have to scramble around watt. damn u watt, this would have been a td if watt didnt apply the pressure. no excuses for rg3 on this play though, roberts was open the whole time and it should have been a td even with the pressure.

 

[gkekoa]

Actually I would rather see him throw on time and miss than not throw on time and still miss. Accuracy can be corrected, slow response time or poor decision making will haunt you in alot more areas.

SSHHHH Shark. Everybody is overlooking the obvious. Let's see how long it takes them to figure out you make that first throw as an NFL QB or you control your body on the rollout so you don't have to set your feet perfectly on the roll.

This is the obvious part and you beat me to it. The play was designed to be run just like this and RG3 missed it. He didn't miss making the throw...he failed to make any throw on time.

 

[Sharkinva]

SSHHHH Shark. Everybody is overlooking the obvious. Let's see how long it takes them to figure out you make that first throw as an NFL QB or you control your body on the rollout so you don't have to set your feet perfectly on the roll.

This is the obvious part and you beat me to it. The play was designed to be run just like this and RG3 missed it. He didn't miss making the throw...he failed to make any throw on time.

Gk... I think what they seem to miss in all the back and forth is guys like us would fucking LOVE for him to morph into a franchise QB. But after years of hearing the same excuses made for sub par QBs added to ALL the hype surrounding this guy... tempering expectations really is a hard sell.

 

[martinez]

so we should start kirk against the jags. and cut rg3. he should stick to track.

 

[Sharkinva]

so we should start kirk against the jags. and cut rg3. he should stick to track.

You are (intentionally) missing the point. No one is saying we should start Cousins this week. (Well maybe Blunt is). What we are saying is, if Griffin doesnt produce in some way shape or form actual WINS, then he doesnt deserve to be the unquestioned starter. And based on what we gave him as far as weapons, production needs to come sooner rather than later or risk fracturing the team at the expense of protecting the QBs ego.

 

[martinez]

if he blows this season i am open to an open competition between him and kirk next off season. rg3 gets 3 years as the starter given to him because his ceiling is way higher the kirks. i wont be patient with him forever like you think. 3 years is long enough, he has to earn it after that. i will always support him as long as he is a redskin tho. i think he will have a good season.

 

[Sharkinva]

if he blows this season i am open to an open competition between him and kirk next off season. rg3 gets 3 years as the starter given to him because his ceiling is way higher the kirks. i wont be patient with him forever like you think. 3 years is long enough, he has to earn it after that. i will always support him as long as he is a redskin tho. i think he will have a good season.

Ceilings only matter if you are tall enough to reach them. When was the last time you walked into a midgets house with vaulted ceilings after all?? I actually HOPE he has a GOOD season, because that can only help the team. But I have no faith in him being more than average as a pocket passer. And if the pocket passer thing is driven by him as apposed to the coach.. in that case I think it fails.