Greatest basketball team ever assembled….

[Wamu]

Do you understand why LeBron gets singled out? Hint, he does it way more than any player from the past, and specially before 2000

Post something legit backing your statement up.

You have no idea who Vlade Divac is do you?

 

[Jordan23]

I do, the problem is you can't comprehend.

Clearly
Don’t

 

[Jordan23]

Post something legit backing your statement up.

You have no idea who Vlade Divac is do you?

Hence before 2000, he was the reason I changed that cause he flopped quite well too. Plenty do in today’s game but none of them call themselves the goat like lebron does. For one to be that arrogant when he is one who acts too often, is a laughing joke

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Pound for pound MJ was the best ever

Okay.. whatever that means.

He would have been the best in whatever era he played in

Maybe, maybe not. I don't use my imagination in debate.

The man won 3 rings left the game for 2 years , came back and won 3 more

Well, the Bulls did... Jordan was a pivotal part of that team, but remember, when he left the Bulls still won 57 games and nearly made the finals. Jordan put them over the top, but he wasn't essential to that team being a title contender. They were without him.

Meanwhile, Lebron left the Cavs and they went from 60 wins to 20 (keeping the same roster and adding Antawn Jamison)

He needed no named coach to win and made his teammates stars

Well, you're using your imagination again.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I agree with most of what you are saying.

Wilt would be great in any era for sure

Russell?

He was a great athlete. He would be successful in any era.

But the only case for him as GOAT is that he was the best player on a team that won the championship every year in an 8 team league. That team was also loaded with hall of famers.

1. It was only an 8 team league his rookie year, so no he didn't "win the championship every year in an 8 team league", we have to get facts correct.
2. The argument holds no weight anyways, because less teams means more loaded rosters. Just imagine if today's NBA had only 14 teams... the rosters would be insane, and then if one team won 11 championships amidst this all-star fest? That's more impressive. Jordan played in a 30 team league, very watered down. And, to compare to today's game, he was ahead of the norm on cross-training/plyometric training that the Bulls embraced, and he also never had to face European players that dominate the game today.

His stats simply aren’t good enough to make a legit case for him as the greatest player of all time. He averaged 15 points a game for his career. With all the great 2 way players the league has seen, that is just not enough offense.

I don't know how you win 5 MVP's and not have stats good enough. I know they are very important, but Points are so overrated when talking about GOAT. The guy as the alpha dog on an 11 championship team, one that faced legendary talent like jerry West and Wilt on the regular (something Jordan never did, his finals opponents were very weak)... and Russelll averaged anywhere from 19 to 24 rebounds a game his entire career, would have won DPOY like 10 times, and probably have so many blocks it would be insane.

I'm not accusing you of being one, but Jordan fanatics just throw around "6 rings", but such simpleton logic is trumped by 11. Winning MVP's means you were arguably the best player in the league. Despite Russell's lack of scoring, he won 5 of em. You'd have to explain why he didn't deserve them.

While you can’t punish players for the era they played in, it has to be taken into context. The average NBA athlete simply wasn’t very good in 1960 compared to what they are today.

If you took players today, put them back into being born in 1942, and gave them the lack of training, knowledge, etc that they had compared to today's players.. they would be just as "not very good" as ones that existed then.

Russell might be DPOY today, but he would not be dominant. He would be something like Bam Adebayo. Very good player, nowhere close to best in the league.

There's no way to know that, I can't take that seriously.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

don't want to downgrade Russell but if he gets all that technique training, etc. that can help but what about having to play against guys far better than those he faced?

Like who?

 

[Jordan23]

Okay.. whatever that means.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't use my imagination in debate.

Well, the Bulls did... Jordan was a pivotal part of that team, but remember, when he left the Bulls still won 57 games and nearly made the finals. Jordan put them over the top, but he wasn't essential to that team being a title contender. They were without him.

Meanwhile, Lebron left the Cavs and they went from 60 wins to 20 (keeping the same roster and adding Antawn Jamison)


Well, you're using your imagination again.

Lebron left Jordan left. The rest of the team wasn’t the same either. That comparison about LeBron is bogus. Cavs lost more than just bron.

 

[trojanfan12]

Meanwhile, Lebron left the Cavs and they went from 60 wins to 20 (keeping the same roster and adding Antawn Jamison)

Actually, the Cavs lost 9 players from Lebrons last Cavs team. That's damn near a full roster turnover.

 

[Pastafazul]

Okay.. whatever that means.

Maybe, maybe not. I don't use my imagination in debate.

Well, the Bulls did... Jordan was a pivotal part of that team, but remember, when he left the Bulls still won 57 games and nearly made the finals. Jordan put them over the top, but he wasn't essential to that team being a title contender. They were without him.

Meanwhile, Lebron left the Cavs and they went from 60 wins to 20 (keeping the same roster and adding Antawn Jamison)


Well, you're using your imagination again.

You left one thing out in all of this….



















A brain

 

[dtgold88]

Like who?

Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Duncan, AD, Jokic, etc?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You left one thing out in all of this….



















A brain

So you have no rebuttal. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Duncan, AD, Jokic, etc?

I don’t see any of those guys with 5 MVP’s and a run of a decade of championships.

 

[Pastafazul]

So you have no rebuttal. Thanks for letting me know.

Enjoy your walk on the yellow brick road for a brain

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Enjoy your walk on the yellow brick road for a brain

You’re only making yourself look dumb.. I replied with points and now you’re throwing a temper tantrum

 

[Pastafazul]

You’re only making yourself look dumb.. I replied with points and now you’re throwing a temper tantrum

I am dum you idiot!

 

[dtgold88]

I don’t see any of those guys with 5 MVP’s and a run of a decade of championships.

Did they play in an era with I believe only 8 teams and far less athletic players? Russell also had some pretty good teammates to help him win those titles

 

[Pastafazul]

Did they play in an era with I believe only 8 teams and far less athletic players? Russell also had some pretty good teammates to help him win those titles

Could you imagine what went through Russell’s head playin against mostly white dudes and dominatin them during his time…gotta give the man big props gettin through that adversity!!!

dude was very athletic for big man!

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Did they play in an era with I believe only 8 teams and far less athletic players?

1. It was only an 8 team league his rookie year, so no he didn't "win the championship every year in an 8 team league", we have to get facts correct.
2. The argument holds no weight anyways, because less teams means more loaded rosters. Just imagine if today's NBA had only 14 teams... the rosters would be insane, and then if one team won 11 championships amidst this all-star fest? That's more impressive.

Russell also had some pretty good teammates to help him win those titles

So did all other all-time greats.

 

[dtgold88]

1. It was only an 8 team league his rookie year, so no he didn't "win the championship every year in an 8 team league", we have to get facts correct.
2. The argument holds no weight anyways, because less teams means more loaded rosters. Just imagine if today's NBA had only 14 teams... the rosters would be insane, and then if one team won 11 championships amidst this all-star fest? That's more impressive.

So did all other all-time greats.

all other all time greats won titles with as many HOFers as Russell?
It's true less teams means the unathletic, slower, weaker players were not spread around as much.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

all other all time greats won titles with as many HOFers as Russell?
It's true less teams means the unathletic, slower, weaker players were not spread around as much.

If all of todays players were born in 1942, they’d all be just as unathletic, slow, and weak. You’re not making a point