Gotta Love The NFC West

[CalamityX11]

as long as things stay the same, or close to it? but we're vulnerable to a major injury, or multiple smaller injuries. we have suffered and will continue to suffer injuries (like all teams), its a question of how severe andn to whom?

Just talking about wins and losses for the NFCW.....

 

[tallglassofwater007]

That's fine with me, Packers weren't on anyone's radar last season as they pretty much fell into the playoffs with the Giants and Bucs losing to let them in.

To be fair though, before the season the Packers were a trendy Superbowl pick but then after all the injuries and slow start they sort of fell off.

 

[MW49ers5]

Though not a horrible theory, slightly faulty logic. M-dub, since it depends on schedule and what the rest of the division is doing. It would take a bit of research for the true answer. With the way they stacked division games at the end of the year, mathematically there will probably be a chance for awhile this season.

Actually, Mem, upon further consideration, I believe my logic is flawless. Consider the following.

The fastest any team can win their respective division in a 16 game season is eight games. However, I believe that would be circumstantially impossible.

Thus, the second fastest is 9, then 10 and so on.

My logic behind picking the '72 dolphins and the '07 Pats was due to those teams not losing a game all season and thus each would have been the fastest to win the minimum # of games necessary to clinch their division the quickest.

My error was in not considering that other teams have won the minimum # of games to quickly clinch their division as well, they just did not win every game.

So I started with the teams that won their first 10 games and here is what I found.

With the exception of the '74 Vikes & the '73 Raiders, the following teams all started their respective seasons 10-0 or better.

Year-----Team-------------Finish
1969-----Los Angles Rams--11-3
1972-----Miami Dolphins----14-0*
1975-----Minnesota Vikings-12-2**
1984-----Miami Dolphins----14-2
1985-----Chicago Bears----15-1***
1990-----New York Giants--13-3
1990-----SF 49ers---------14-2****
1991-----Wash Redskins----14-2
1998-----Denver Broncos---14-2
2005-----Indianapolis Colts--14-2
2007-----New Eng Patriots--16-0***
2008-----Tennessee Titans-13-3
2009-----N.O Saints--------13-3
2009-----Indianapolis Colts--14-2

1973----Minnesota Vikings--12-2*
1974----Oakland Raiders----12-2*

*Clinched after 10th game of season (14 game season)
**Clinched after 11th game of season (14 game season)
***Clinched after 11th game of season (16 game season)
****Clinched after 12th game of season (16 game season)

In this review I did not come across any team that clinched their division quicker than 11 games for a 16 game season.

 

[Arete Tzu]

Actually, Mem, upon further consideration, I believe my logic is flawless. Consider the following.

The fastest any team can win their respective division in a 16 game season is eight games. However, I believe that would be circumstantially impossible.

Thus, the second fastest is 9, then 10 and so on.

My logic behind picking the '72 dolphins and the '07 Pats was due to those teams not losing a game all season and thus each would have been the fastest to win the minimum # of games necessary to clinch their division the quickest.

My error was in not considering that other teams have won the minimum # of games to quickly clinch their division as well, they just did not win every game.

So I started with the teams that won their first 10 games and here is what I found.

With the exception of the '74 Vikes & the '73 Raiders, the following teams all started their respective seasons 10-0 or better.

Year-----Team-------------Finish
1969-----Los Angles Rams--11-3
1972-----Miami Dolphins----14-0*
1975-----Minnesota Vikings-12-2**
1984-----Miami Dolphins----14-2
1985-----Chicago Bears----15-1***
1990-----New York Giants--13-3
1990-----SF 49ers---------14-2****
1991-----Wash Redskins----14-2
1998-----Denver Broncos---14-2
2005-----Indianapolis Colts--14-2
2007-----New Eng Patriots--16-0***
2008-----Tennessee Titans-13-3
2009-----N.O Saints--------13-3
2009-----Indianapolis Colts--14-2

1973----Minnesota Vikings--12-2*
1974----Oakland Raiders----12-2*

*Clinched after 10th game of season (14 game season)
**Clinched after 11th game of season (14 game season)
***Clinched after 11th game of season (16 game season)
****Clinched after 12th game of season (16 game season)

In this review I did not come across any team that clinched their division quicker than 11 games for a 16 game season.

This seems like a better way to check it. 10 seems pretty reasonable. Their distance of separation from 2nd place might need to be considered to though. How good where those teams division that year?

But what do i know? I'm a math retard

 

[SY8goat]

Mike Sando did all the work.

MikeyMurda asks the question Frederick P. Soft wants the San Francisco 49ers to consider as they sit atop the NFC West with a 5-1 record and three-game lead in the standings.

How early can the Niners clinch the NFC West?

Week 11 is the answer, provided the 49ers get to nine victories by winning their next four games.

The chart puts together a scenario that would allow the 49ers to clinch the division title with a Nov. 20 victory over the Arizona Cardinals. It's unlikely San Francisco's division rivals will cooperate to this degree, but they all lost in Week 7.
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Frederick P. Soft: When 49ers can clinch - NFC West Blog - ESPN

 

[SY8goat]

The fastest any team can win their respective division in a 16 game season is eight games.

Thus, the second fastest is 9, then 10 and so on.

It is actually 9 games.

For example, in Division X:

Team A is 8-0
Team B is 0-8
Team C is 0-8
Team D is 0-8

Mathematically speaking, Teams B, C, and D can still win the division. Since they could potentially win 8 games and Team A could still lose 8 games.

With 9 games played (and 9 wins), that eliminates the possibility of the Team B, C, and D from matching Team A's 9 wins.

The amount of games it takes for a team to clinch the division is dependent upon the other (3) teams in the division.

 

[MW49ers5]

It is actually 9 games.

For example, in Division X:

Team A is 8-0
Team B is 0-8
Team C is 0-8
Team D is 0-8

Mathematically speaking, Teams B, C, and D can still win the division. Since they could potentially win 8 games and Team A could still lose 8 games.

With 9 games played (and 9 wins), that eliminates the possibility of the Team B, C, and D from matching Team A's 9 wins.

The amount of games it takes for a team to clinch the division is dependent upon the other (3) teams in the division.

8 is the minimum if teams B, C, D have all lost two games each to team A - which is why I said it is circumstantially impossible. As for the amount of games it takes to clinch the division being dependent upon the other teams W/L's - yes, of course.

 

[CalamityX11]

Mike Sando did all the work.

MikeyMurda asks the question Frederick P. Soft wants the San Francisco 49ers to consider as they sit atop the NFC West with a 5-1 record and three-game lead in the standings.

How early can the Niners clinch the NFC West?

Week 11 is the answer, provided the 49ers get to nine victories by winning their next four games.

The chart puts together a scenario that would allow the 49ers to clinch the division title with a Nov. 20 victory over the Arizona Cardinals. It's unlikely San Francisco's division rivals will cooperate to this degree, but they all lost in Week 7.
.

Frederick P. Soft: When 49ers can clinch - NFC West Blog - ESPN

HA Sando is late!!!!!!!!! I already provided that in page 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAh

 

[MW49ers5]

HA Sando is late!!!!!!!!! I already provided that in page 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAh

X > Sando
Sando reads SportsHoopla!

 

[CalamityX11]

X > Sando
Sando reads SportsHoopla!

LOL...

It basically confirms this...

 

[SRPnVA]

Wow! Sando is a clown! He stole your chart and made a few changes lmao.

 

[CalamityX11]

Wow! Sando is a clown! He stole your chart and made a few changes lmao.

Right!??!?!?!?!?!

I got an eye on you sando!!!!

 

[SY8goat]

HA Sando is late!!!!!!!!! I already provided that in page 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAh

Sorry for giving Mike Sando all the credit.














Or are you Mike Sando?????

 

[SY8goat]

8 is the minimum if teams B, C, D have all lost two games each to team A - which is why I said it is circumstantially impossible. As for the amount of games it takes to clinch the division being dependent upon the other teams W/L's - yes, of course.

8 games with tie-breakers.

9 games w/ out tie-breakers.

 

[CalamityX11]

Sorry for giving Mike Sando all the credit.














Or are you Mike Sando?????

It's fine.... it's because ESPN draws a higher auidence than SportsHoopla...........................................................................................................................................................................................................for now..............

Am I Sando??????

or

The Batman!?

 

[MW49ers5]

8 games with tie-breakers.

9 games w/ out tie-breakers.

Technically correct, but pragmatically implausible - the earliest clinch on a 16 game schedule I found was 11 games.

 

[bigpb72]

ill be okay with us loosing a division game long as we take 2 ooutta three in the (NyG Pit Bal) ill be happy when you make big moves you beat Beat big teams but the giants have a haaaaaaaarrd schedule and will be third or 4th i there division by seasons end....

 

[tzill]

Technically correct, but pragmatically implausible - the earliest clinch on a 16 game schedule I found was 11 games.

But for an 8 game clinch to happen, all three division opponents could not play each other -- pretty much impossible.

 

[tzill]

ill be okay with us loosing a division game long as we take 2 ooutta three in the (NyG Pit Bal) ill be happy when you make big moves you beat Beat big teams but the giants have a haaaaaaaarrd schedule and will be third or 4th i there division by seasons end....

Thanksgiving Day and the home game vs. the Steelers will be the two toughest games...by a lot.

 

[MW49ers5]

But for an 8 game clinch to happen, all three division opponents could not play each other -- pretty much impossible.

Yep - Yep