Goodberry's 2025 NFL Draft Sheet

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

Draft Sheet

 

[Cincyfan78]

Draft Sheet

I'm a fan of Goodberry. I like how he digs deeper than just the tape or even just the workouts. They have a nice little formula and it's been right far more often than wrong.

His work is a big reason why I do not want Stewart or Booker in round 1...or really in round 2...but shows that I think if Nolen is there at 17, he's feeling more and more like the pick. You can still go IOL or DE in round 2...and round 3 will offer more depth at either spot as well.

The Bengals have so many needs, and they are going to be so many fits, that it really is hard to try and nail down exactly where they will go because it could be truly more about who lands at their spot than anything.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

What stands out to me is Mykel Williams is ranked #171. That is crazy low for someone expected to go in the 1st. He has shown up on our mocks numerous times.

 

[Cincyfan78]

What stands out to me is Mykel Williams is ranked #171. That is crazy low for someone expected to go in the 1st. He has shown up on our mocks numerous times.

Lot's of production red flags. I think he is a lot like Murphy in that he has 1st round physical traits. Teams are always going to hedge on the side of "ability" when they are elite looking...but, what I feel so many teams (not just the Bengals) miss is that they had those abilities against guys who they should have DOMINATED - and they didn't. Why does everyone suddenly think that they will dominate against guys who are as good as, or better in some cases, than they are?

Stewart is another one. Guy is talked about in the 1st round based on his physical traits. He's a specimen. He had one of the worst pass-rush win%/rates in all of college. How can you be that physically dominant and get so little production? It's like, some guys are simply TRYING not to make plays. They are clearly more physically gifted than those across from them, but they fail to produce time after time.

To me - that's a massive issue that I would stay away from. I'd rather error on the production side than the physical side. However, you can find some guys who are tweeners at either side, and based on fit/need - they can work...but when guys are so bad athletically and have stats - you have to wonder how will they hold up against top tier NFL talent...I think more focus should be spent on the other side of that coin, which is "How can you take a guy who should physically dominate and doesn't to such a degree that they have no productive stats". I think that is just as important, IMO.

 

[Cincyfan78]

To add - I get taking a guy as a 2-3 year project guy. Murphy was talked a lot about being a guy that wasn't expected to really produce much in year 1, and likely year 2...they were talking years 3-4-5...we'll see if that pans out...but I feel like with 1st round guys, most teams just can't afford to take guys who take 2-3 years to develop. That's fine if it's a 6th rounder you are taking a flyer on (Matt Lee comes to mind)...and where you can likely sign them to a 2nd contract pretty cheap before they get into the meat of their ability.

But when you are drafting guys in rounds 1-2-3: They need to be starter level guys much sooner than later. At worst, they should be top tier rotational guys right off the bat. To do it any other way is to continually put your organization behind the 8-ball with drafting.

 

[BurrowDeep2Chase]

To add - I get taking a guy as a 2-3 year project guy. Murphy was talked a lot about being a guy that wasn't expected to really produce much in year 1, and likely year 2...they were talking years 3-4-5...we'll see if that pans out...but I feel like with 1st round guys, most teams just can't afford to take guys who take 2-3 years to develop. That's fine if it's a 6th rounder you are taking a flyer on (Matt Lee comes to mind)...and where you can likely sign them to a 2nd contract pretty cheap before they get into the meat of their ability.

But when you are drafting guys in rounds 1-2-3: They need to be starter level guys much sooner than later. At worst, they should be top tier rotational guys right off the bat. To do it any other way is to continually put your organization behind the 8-ball with drafting.

Early-Mid 1st rounders need to be Week 1 starters IMO. You can take more risk late in the 1st round.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Early-Mid 1st rounders need to be Week 1 starters IMO. You can take more risk late in the 1st round.

If you are a team that is pretty well put together, I"d agree. The Bengals are not in that area. They need guys up and down the roster that can help right now. That might mean taking a guy with a bit lower ceiling, but a much higher floor. I'm OK with that, but where they are, at 17, I feel like they will have multiple options to grab a guy that can help right now.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Goodberry also put this out today. True pass sets have been pretty solid in predicting NFL success. Surprisingly, Booker is well up there - but my issues with him are more about his physical nature and him ONLY being a true G - never having played any other position. For a C, that's not uncommon, but most G usually play some OT - Booker did not.