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I don't see Hulsizer, the city of Glendale, and the NHL liking these solutions...

The deal hinges on two main components. First is that the city proposes borrowing up to $100 million to purchase arena parking rights from the future team owner. This is a charade meant to hide a $100 million handout to the new owner because the city already owns the parking rights. The second component is the $97 million arena management fee. That fee would directly subsidize the Coyotes by reimbursing its future owner for operating expenses that only benefit the team. However laudable the goal of keeping the Coyotes in Glendale, it does not merit back-room negotiations, abuse of taxpayer money, and violation of the law.

It is not too late for Glendale to keep the Coyotes in town legally. The city should pursue more private investment in the deal by having the NHL reduce its upfront sales price for the team and spread any balance out over the 30 year arena lease term. It should also demand that the NHL promise not to relocate the Coyotes over the term of the lease. The city should reduce the management fee so that it does not reimburse the future owner of the Coyotes for operating expenses that only benefit the team. And if the future owner of the Coyotes really believes he can turn the bankrupt team around, Glendale should demand a 100% asset-backed guarantee of all revenues that have been promised to the city.

There are legal ways to keep the Coyotes in town and protect taxpayers; Glendale should choose one.


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Stole this pic from another board, but only the most diehard of hockey fans living in Phoenix would make this commute to watch the Coyotes in Glendale...

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Stole this pic from another board, but only the most diehard of hockey fans living in Phoenix would make this commute to watch the Coyotes in Glendale...

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aaaaay- aaaaaaay -aaaaaaaay ..... ain't gonna play Sun Citay, no no




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Stole this pic from another board, but only the most diehard of hockey fans living in Phoenix would make this commute to watch the Coyotes in Glendale...

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What's the distance for that commute to see the games? I think Jeff drives around 130+ miles to see Bruins games. I guess that's a little far to expect retirees to drive huh? :eek:

Edit: I just had a brainstorm. Why don't I use map quest like I used to figure out how far Jeff drives? Brilliant!!!! :L
 

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Stole this pic from another board, but only the most diehard of hockey fans living in Phoenix would make this commute to watch the Coyotes in Glendale...

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hey, I made the commute from Tucson a couple times, no excuses :P
 

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It is 150 miles each way for me to catch a Sharks game. I usually get home around 1 in the morning.

So worth it.
 

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Stole this pic from another board, but only the most diehard of hockey fans living in Phoenix would make this commute to watch the Coyotes in Glendale...

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When I read about it articles, it was made out to sound like Glendale was way out in the sticks. That doesn't really look too much different than driving from the suburbs of Detroit into downtown to see a game, or from Lansing, GR, or K-zoo. I guess I'm not from the area though, so I really don't know.
 

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When I read about it articles, it was made out to sound like Glendale was way out in the sticks. That doesn't really look too much different than driving from the suburbs of Detroit into downtown to see a game, or from Lansing, GR, or K-zoo. I guess I'm not from the area though, so I really don't know.

I don't think it's a terribly great distance (approx. 16-18 miles) but the traffic seems to be pretty bad. Reporters staying in Phoenix timed how long it took to get out to jobing.com and it came in at over an hour.
 

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I don't think it's a terribly great distance (approx. 16-18 miles) but the traffic seems to be pretty bad. Reporters staying in Phoenix timed how long it took to get out to jobing.com and it came in at over an hour.

It can't be easy dodging five lanes of 1985 Buick LeSabres all going fifteen under the speed limit...
 

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It can't be easy dodging five lanes of 1985 Buick LeSabres all going fifteen under the speed limit...

Now, that's funny. I was in the Phoenix/Messa area a couple of years ago and noticed that even the trailer parks have Bingo nights.
 

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Does anyone hope that Phoenix is able to keep their team?

Darkstone does because he plans to do some more schoolin' in the Phoenix area...There is such a thing as being too smart :nerd:
 

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I feel very bad for the small core of dedicated fans that will hate to see their team go, and will feel burned and alienated by the NHL. I will feel great for the rabid die hards in Canada that will finally have a team back in their town, and I will feel good for the 90% of the Phoenix area/Glendale residents that don't give two shits about hockey and won't have to pony up tax dollars to help prop up a failing business.
 

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I feel very bad for the small core of dedicated fans that will hate to see their team go, and will feel burned and alienated by the NHL. I will feel great for the rabid die hards in Canada that will finally have a team back in their town, and I will feel good for the 90% of the Phoenix area/Glendale residents that don't give two shits about hockey and won't have to pony up tax dollars to help prop up a failing business.

I think the city is reasonably fucked if they leave at this point. And I think the team is headed to Vegas or something if that happens. Neither of which rocks my world.

I want Canada to have more teams as much as anybody, but it's probably gotta happen via the expansion route. Or maybe the Isles - they seem more likely to transport. And first, the NHL has to lower that completely insane expansion fee.
 

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I think the city is reasonably fucked if they leave at this point. And I think the team is headed to Vegas or something if that happens. Neither of which rocks my world.

I want Canada to have more teams as much as anybody, but it's probably gotta happen via the expansion route. Or maybe the Isles - they seem more likely to transport. And first, the NHL has to lower that completely insane expansion fee.

Kansas City has a brand new state-of-the-art arena just waiting for a team which gives them an edge over Seattle (which I think would be a great place to put an NHL team). Guaranteed sell-outs whenever the Canucks go to Seattle and plenty of hockey fans in the lower mainland and Washington State would fill the arena most nights.

Winnipeg is locked and loaded and the NHL is on the clock for a resolution. Don't forget about Atlanta either, that team looks like they are on the move as well.
 

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I don't think it's a terribly great distance (approx. 16-18 miles) but the traffic seems to be pretty bad. Reporters staying in Phoenix timed how long it took to get out to jobing.com and it came in at over an hour.

took Matt Sekeres 1:15 to get to jobing.com for the canucks last game there.



as for the "out in the sticks" comment

Past the barren fields and empty commercial lots, past the unoccupied developments and boarded-up houses, past the trailer parks and the pasture where 40 goats were grazing (kid you not), lies a pretty little downtown with charming little antique stores and gift shops. It’s beautiful and clean, and you can bet that some lucky citizens are still living their version of the American dream not far from the town square, where Mayor Elaine Scruggs and her councillors sealed this city’s fate.

and finally, Ive heard it said the a large proportion of the Coyote fanbase is in Scottsdale ... even farther away
 

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Kansas City has a brand new state-of-the-art arena just waiting for a team which gives them an edge over Seattle (which I think would be a great place to put an NHL team). Guaranteed sell-outs whenever the Canucks go to Seattle and plenty of hockey fans in the lower mainland and Washington State would fill the arena most nights.

Winnipeg is locked and loaded and the NHL is on the clock for a resolution. Don't forget about Atlanta either, that team looks like they are on the move as well.

where is anyone from these cities stepping up to buy the coyotes or thrashers to move them there ??? ... anyone? Bueller???
 
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