Fred Kitchens Fired

[GNG]

It's just makes no sense to acquire talent as the browns did and they hire a completely inexperienced coach. Huge mistake by Dorsey.

Dorsey acquired some exceptionally talented players but erred in hiring Kitchen.

 

[dtgold88]

That is not accurate! Today the Browns went to Cincinnati to show the world who is the worst team and they DID IT!

so we've got that going for us.

 

[dtgold88]

Dorsey acquired some exceptionally talented players but erred in hiring Kitchen.

Dorsey thinks too much like a fan and went for splash hires and name players. don't be fooled. Fit is more important.

They'd have been better off keeping Perriman and not trading for OBJ.

 

[GNG]

Dorsey thinks too much like a fan and went for splash hires and name players. don't be fooled. Fit is more important.

They'd have been better off keeping Perriman and not trading for OBJ.

Hindsight is always 100%.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Dorsey thinks too much like a fan and went for splash hires and name players. don't be fooled. Fit is more important.

They'd have been better off keeping Perriman and not trading for OBJ.

Eh...they clearly won the OBJ trade in my mind. The issue again is they just figured his talent would just let him plug right in. Couple that with Higgins and Callaway falling apart. I don't see the Browns drafting Metcalf and Perriman being particularly thrilled with that either. So really we are looking at either Metcalf (and that's if they even drafted him), a third rounder and Peppers or OBJ.

Like I said Vernon for Zeitler was a miss and you've alluded to them just signing a free agent at end which is what they should've done.

 

[PIBuckeye]

I'm so glad he's gone. He was a control freak and had no clue what he was doing. Not a good combination.

With the talent on that team............ ugh...... he was in over his head......

no way a team with that much talent should regress and be 6-10.......

 

[dtgold88]

Hindsight is always 100%.

Fair, but at the time I said while I understand making the move I did not think it was the no-brainer many thought it was.

I also did not like the Zeitler/Vernon nor Ogbah/Murray deals when they were made. Not hindsight.

 

[dtgold88]

Eh...they clearly won the OBJ trade in my mind. The issue again is they just figured his talent would just let him plug right in. Couple that with Higgins and Callaway falling apart. I don't see the Browns drafting Metcalf and Perriman being particularly thrilled with that either. So really we are looking at either Metcalf (and that's if they even drafted him), a third rounder and Peppers or OBJ.

Like I said Vernon for Zeitler was a miss and you've alluded to them just signing a free agent at end which is what they should've done.

I can understand being OK with the OBJ deal still, but "clearly won the deal"? rookie Metcalf not exactly OBJ. something tells me Perriman likes his odds of holding off a rookie.

But they also could have used the #17 pick to help a different area, as Landry, Higgins, Perriman sounds like a decent WR trio if used correctly.

 

[msgkings322]

Jerry Glanville

Bum Phillips

 

[GNG]

Fair, but at the time I said while I understand making the move I did not think it was the no-brainer many thought it was.

I also did not like the Zeitler/Vernon nor Ogbah/Murray deals when they were made. Not hindsight.

This is just your opinion in hindsight.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I can understand being OK with the OBJ deal still, but "clearly won the deal"? rookie Metcalf not exactly OBJ. something tells me Perriman likes his odds of holding off a rookie.

But they also could have used the #17 pick to help a different area, as Landry, Higgins, Perriman sounds like a decent WR trio if used correctly.

"If used correctly"

Feel free to say I told you so if the next coach cannot turn around the offense.

I think the defense was ok until they lost Garrett. At which point with Vernon also being out and Kirksey being out all year they didn't have the pieces to run Wilks defense. A 4 2 5 with a fifth round rookie at LB and practice squad level players at DE wasn't going to work.

 

[dtgold88]

This is just your opinion in hindsight.

Agree....but my opinion looks like it was correct. If you were the Browns would you undo those 2 other deals if you could?

 

[dtgold88]

"If used correctly"

Feel free to say I told you so if the next coach cannot turn around the offense.

I think the defense was ok until they lost Garrett. At which point with Vernon also being out and Kirksey being out all year they didn't have the pieces to run Wilks defense. A 4 2 5 with a fifth round rookie at LB and practice squad level players at DE wasn't going to work.

Agree, he was dealt a tough hand, but a good DC adjusts his scheme to fit the players, not the other way around.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

So are plenty of other coaches.

Snooze ya lose, Riverboat Ron is a Redskin

 

[GNG]

Snooze ya lose, Riverboat Ron is a Redskin

Is it official?

 

[Erie Warrior]

Snooze ya lose, Riverboat Ron is a Redskin

Why would any coach want to work for Dan Snyder?

 

[GNG]

Why would any coach want to work for Dan Snyder?

Or Jerry Jones.

 

[Erie Warrior]

Or Jerry Jones.

Word. They are the same. Kind of funny that they are huge rivals.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Agree, he was dealt a tough hand, but a good DC adjusts his scheme to fit the players, not the other way around.

That D definitely gives up big chunks of yardage on the ground at times. Decent against most pass offenses but teams like the 49ers feasted on them.

I'm not sad to see it go

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Why would any coach want to work for Dan Snyder?

Yea I'm confused on Rivera going all in on Washington so quickly. To me New York is a more appealing job in the same conference. I mean they're basically guaranteed Chase Young but Barkley is a nice chip to start with and so far Jones looks to be better than Haskins