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[thedddd]

Why?

Yeah, not sure how well-received someone who shut down abortion clinics and is not pro-choice bodes at a Democratic convention. Also how many republican voters will he bring? The ones that don't like Trump are already voting for Biden or some random 3rd party candidate anyway. Wait I fell out of my chair laughing when I said that, you know those folks are still going to vote for Trump but will say something different on TV.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Man, I hope Kanye’s not near any guns right now.

 

[elocomotive]

Why?

Could be due John Kasich having any of the following conditions:
(1) Eyes
(2) Conscience
(3) Ears
(4) Heart
(5) Moral compass

I don't always agree with him and he's a little too pro-lifey, but like Larry Hogan, he's largely a pragmatist. And this is also because if he could ever run the gauntlet of the Republic primary, he'd have a good shot to meet another condition:

(6) Aspirations

 

[forty_three]

Could be due John Kasich having any of the following conditions:
(1) Eyes
(2) Conscience
(3) Ears
(4) Heart
(5) Moral compass

I don't always agree with him and he's a little too pro-lifey, but like Larry Hogan, he's largely a pragmatist. And this is also because if he could ever run the gauntlet of the Republic primary, he'd have a good shot to meet another condition:

(6) Aspirations

Rest assured, John Kasich's "moderate-ness" is strictly an act. He is a full blown corporate whore. He spent weeks trying to convince people that he was cool and with it and supported legalizing marijuana. All the while he had written the ballot initiative in such a way that it gave campaign donors a monopoly on the sale of pot in Ohio. It got voted down.

And it wasn't the first time he did it. When the vote was approved for Casinos in Ohio, he tried to write an address for the Columbus casino into the state constitution which essentially made the land the Casino owners wanted completely useless to the people who owned it and refused to sell it because the voters of Columbus overwhelmingly voted against the Casinos. It passed state-wide due to votes in other areas. Had he been successful with the state constitution change, Hollywood Casinos would have essentially gotten the land for free because it would not have been able to be sold for any other purpose. He lost that battle, and the new Crew stadium is being built there now.

He also wanted to turn schools over to business leaders. Replace school administrators with CEOs of companies that went bankrupt and pay them 3-5 times what current administrators made.


I can't say this strongly enough. John Kasich is a cvnt.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Yeah, not sure how well-received someone who shut down abortion clinics and is not pro-choice bodes at a Democratic convention. Also how many republican voters will he bring? The ones that don't like Trump are already voting for Biden or some random 3rd party candidate anyway. Wait I fell out of my chair laughing when I said that, you know those folks are still going to vote for Trump but will say something different on TV.

I think he'll be well received because he checks the first - and overwhelmingly largest - box on the Democratic checklist of being against Trump. They'll overlook the rest of it in this case it'll be good PR to be able to say "look, even this Republican governor thinks our guy is a better option."

Issues are irrelevant in this election. The only issue that most voters from both parties are going to be voting on is "Is he Donald Trump?"

 

[dare2be]

I don't see any upside to Kasich speaking at the DNC. The right will just dismiss him as a democratic sheep in wolf's clothing traitor, while those on the left will be put off by Biden's attempt to kowtow to the right.

 

[forty_three]

I don't see any upside to Kasich speaking at the DNC. The right will just dismiss him as a democratic sheep in wolf's clothing traitor, while those on the left will be put off by Biden's attempt to kowtow to the right.

Here in Ohio, he (and DeWine as well) are generally dismissed by the right as RINOs. Kasich because he spent a lot of taxpayer money to turn his house into a new governor's mansion and still paid for upkeep on the regular governor's mansion because his wife didn't want to move to a smaller house. And he "supported" legalized pot.

DeWine because he, you know, cares about helping people.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I don't see any upside to Kasich speaking at the DNC. The right will just dismiss him as a democratic sheep in wolf's clothing traitor, while those on the left will be put off by Biden's attempt to kowtow to the right.

Clinton got killed in Ohio in 2016. If they want to try to flip it back, they have to pander to the Ohio electorate.

I don't think they expect him speaking to have any impact on 90+% of the electorate, including most of the Dems. The goal is only to get him to try to convince some of the never-Trump type Republicans to vote for Biden instead of a third party.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Biden’s biggest problem right now is that the hardcore left in his party are the loudest voices at the moment and they’re both drowning out his message and scaring people who feel bad for black people but also don’t want a crime-ridden country to just vanish it’s police forces.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d22468-cab0-11ea-91f1-28aca4d833a0_story.html

He can bring in Kasich, Mittens, the Clintons, Joe Lieberman, hell any centrist or right-light politician he wants but if the leading stories out there are still the Bernie Bunch saying all cops are bad and Biden seeming to support them he’s doing exactly what Trump needs him to do to win re-election.

 

[forty_three]

Clinton got killed in Ohio in 2016. If they want to try to flip it back, they have to pander to the Ohio electorate.

I don't think they expect him speaking to have any impact on 90+% of the electorate, including most of the Dems. The goal is only to get him to try to convince some of the never-Trump type Republicans to vote for Biden instead of a third party.

If they want to make headway in Ohio and feel like a convention speech is the way to accomplish it, the person they need to speak is Dr Amy Acton or Mike DeWine. Mike never would and Dr Amy left the public eye because of extremists. Not sure Kasich's name is still good enough among moderates in either party here to make any difference. The Trumpers feel like Kasich is a traitor because he turned down the veep spot.

But a speech isn't going to do a lot at the end of the day. Biden needs to come in here and explain what he's going to do for all those rural and small town areas that are dying off with manufacturing jobs going away, and farms suffering. Clinton rolled around West Virginia and said "Coal sucks" and didn't adequately explain how she was going to provide clean energy jobs. And a large portion of SE Ohio relies on the coal industry. She lost a quarter of the state right out of the gate. Then she focused on everything but Ohio because Trump got stomped in the primary. She didn't stand a chance. Biden needs to learn from that and tell Ohio what he's going to do for them. He can swing it, if he motivates people to come out. He already has the cities.

 

[forty_three]

 

[forty_three]

POTATUS

 

[dare2be]

Damn, my winner button is wearing out.

 

[scoutyjones2]

 

[puckhead]

 

[elocomotive]

I don't see any upside to Kasich speaking at the DNC. The right will just dismiss him as a democratic sheep in wolf's clothing traitor, while those on the left will be put off by Biden's attempt to kowtow to the right.

Totally disagree. What are the left voters not gonna go for Biden becasue Kasich spoke at the convention? Nope. Won't change one vote on the left.

But it could sway some right-leaning independents and some Republicans.

Especially since the message I'm sure will be about how Biden can work for the whole country, not just his party. It's not only good for Biden, it's good for the country. This is a message Hillary did not get across, so I'm glad the Biden campaign is working on that, because Trump has left that as undefended ground that need only be claimed.

 

[thedddd]

Totally disagree. What are the left voters not gonna go for Biden becasue Kasich spoke at the convention? Nope. Won't change one vote on the left.

But it could sway some right-leaning independents and some Republicans.

Especially since the message I'm sure will be about how Biden can work for the whole country, not just his party. It's not only good for Biden, it's good for the country. This is a message Hillary did not get across, so I'm glad the Biden campaign is working on that, because Trump has left that as undefended ground that need only be claimed.

I am still not convinced the so called Trump hating republicans won't vote for him. History has shown us they have been all talk and no action.

 

[puckhead]

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

If they want to make headway in Ohio and feel like a convention speech is the way to accomplish it, the person they need to speak is Dr Amy Acton or Mike DeWine. Mike never would and Dr Amy left the public eye because of extremists. Not sure Kasich's name is still good enough among moderates in either party here to make any difference. The Trumpers feel like Kasich is a traitor because he turned down the veep spot.

But a speech isn't going to do a lot at the end of the day. Biden needs to come in here and explain what he's going to do for all those rural and small town areas that are dying off with manufacturing jobs going away, and farms suffering. Clinton rolled around West Virginia and said "Coal sucks" and didn't adequately explain how she was going to provide clean energy jobs. And a large portion of SE Ohio relies on the coal industry. She lost a quarter of the state right out of the gate. Then she focused on everything but Ohio because Trump got stomped in the primary. She didn't stand a chance. Biden needs to learn from that and tell Ohio what he's going to do for them. He can swing it, if he motivates people to come out. He already has the cities.

Kasich may have been their third choice, but he's quite possibly the best they've got.

I see this as an extremely low risk play because I agree with eloco that nobody who was planning to vote for Biden is going to not vote for him as a result of this, but he may pick up some votes as a result. Will it make a difference? Possibly not, but it's worth trying wherever you can.

And since Ohio is a genuine battleground, unlike say Utah where even Mitt's (hell, even if they got McMullin on their side too) endorsement wouldn't be enough to swing it, you take what you can get.

 

[elocomotive]

I am still not convinced the so called Trump hating republicans won't vote for him. History has shown us they have been all talk and no action.

I think you're right 99% of the time. But I do think some of them will opt not to vote. Also, a number of them are dead.

Remember that Trump didn't pick up more Republican voters than Romney did. They stayed the same. He won over some independents and the Democrats did not turn out. If you had to sum up 2016, it's actually pretty simple - young people and black people didn't turn out for Hillary.

I think what we'll see this time is a less motivated right, a left leaning center, and a more motivated left.