For all you Lebron Haters

[Ickey Shuffle]

Ask yourself this.. How has Lebron done against Kwani?

Too bad we might not see them play against each other again in the Finals for awhile. Pitty.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah because flyerhawk seems to think the east now is just as competitive as it was in the mid 80's till mid 90's

I have no way to measure that. I've actually said that it is impossible to compare eras. You are the one that is claiming that the East has been the worst conference in the history the game, whatever that means.

You've haven't provided anything approaches a qualitative argument to justify the claim. You just make the assertion and use hyperbole to defend it.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I have no way to measure that. I've actually said that it is impossible to compare eras. You are the one that is claiming that the East has been the worst conference in the history the game, whatever that means.

You've haven't provided anything approaches a qualitative argument to justify the claim. You just make the assertion and use hyperbole to defend it.

Yes, this Eastern Conference (minus lebron) is one of the weakest in NBA history. Anyone with half a brain and just a little bit of basketball knowledge knows that!

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes, this Eastern Conference (minus lebron) is one of the weakest in NBA history. Anyone with half a brain and just a little bit of basketball knowledge knows that!

That isn't an argument. It's an assertion and ad hominem justification.

You won't even provide a framework to explain your position. Is the conference top to bottom the worst of all time? Or is it the lack of top tier teams?

How is this conference worse than the mid-80s Western conference which was the Lakers a bunch of most lackluster teams? How is it weaker than, say, the 1984 Western conference which had 2 50+ win teams and only 5 of 12 teams having a winning record? Or the 85 Western conference which only had 4 teams with winning records, a 62 win Lakers and a 51 win Rockets?

 

[trojanfan12]

How about a test?

I'll find as many posts as I can of you specifically calling me a "Lebroniac"... and you find as many posts as you can of me specifically calling you a "hater".

How about you stop being so sensitive Sally and see that I said "Cavs Fans and Lebroniacs" (which is plural) and never specifically mentioned you?

 

[BallsOfFurry]

How about you stop being so sensitive Sally and see that I said "Cavs Fans and Lebroniacs" (which is plural) and never specifically mentioned you?

In the words of MLK..don't be hate'n. just don't.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I pose a hypothetical.

If the New York Knicks were to draft Lebron James instead of Patrick Ewing, how many championships do you think the Knicks would have won? I've heard lots of folks say that the league was much tougher back then. So do you think the Knicks would have been worse, the same, or better with Lebron James?

If the Knicks aren't your thing, replace them with the Trailblazers or Pacers. Replace whatever player you want with Lebron. How would that team have fared?

Maybe LeBron beats the rockets, but he would not have got past Jordans bulls

 

[CitySushi]

I don't really understand how anyone could really hate Lebron. The dude is simply amazing to watch on the basketball court. Maybe I'm just a basketball purist, but I really appreciated everything a player does and enjoy watching greatness. I hate Kobe because he was a Laker and my Laker supporter friends used to shit on all of us Warrior fans all the time when we sucked, but I still appreciated how amazing he was.

Lebron will go down as the greatest player, to me, that I have watched play in the NBA from the start of their careers till the end. I didn't start watching basketball until around 91' - 92', so Jordan doesn't qualify there. Here are the top 5 best NBA players I've seen from the start to finish of their careers:

1) Lebron James
2) Shaq
3) Duncan
4) Kobe
5) KG

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I don't really understand how anyone could really hate Lebron. The dude is simply amazing to watch on the basketball court. Maybe I'm just a basketball purist, but I really appreciated everything a player does and enjoy watching greatness. I hate Kobe because he was a Laker and my Laker supporter friends used to shit on all of us Warrior fans all the time when we sucked, but I still appreciated how amazing he was.

Lebron will go down as the greatest player, to me, that I have watched play in the NBA from the start of their careers till the end. I didn't start watching basketball until around 91' - 92', so Jordan doesn't qualify there. Here are the top 5 best NBA players I've seen from the start to finish of their careers:

1) Lebron James
2) Shaq
3) Duncan
4) Kobe
5) KG

If you saw Garnett from start to finish, why isn't the crown jewel of the 1995 NBA draft not listed in that top 5?

Spoiler: Da fuq is wrong with you?

All joking aside, I really did like that fat bastard. Alas, his love of cheeseburgers derailed his career.

 

[CitySushi]

If you saw Garnett from start to finish, why isn't the crown jewel of the 1995 NBA draft not listed in that top 5?

Spoiler: Da fuq is wrong with you?

All joking aside, I really did like that fat bastard. Alas, his love of cheeseburgers derailed his career.

Warriors had the #1 pick that year and took Joe Smith. SMH.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Warriors had the #1 pick that year and took Joe Smith. SMH.

Well, on the brightside...at least they didn't take Ed Obannon...lol

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If you saw Garnett from start to finish, why isn't the crown jewel of the 1995 NBA draft not listed in that top 5?

Spoiler: Da fuq is wrong with you?

All joking aside, I really did like that fat bastard. Alas, his love of cheeseburgers derailed his career.

I honestly thought Big Country was going to be legit back then...

 

[Kold]

LJ won a title with far less talent than any Bulls team of the 90s, including the Heat. You have to put him in the same discussion as MJ. It's BS if you don't.

That's not true. Look at the first 3 titles....Jordan won with Pippen, whom was just starting to make all-star teams at the time. Horace Grant was a solid contributor, and the only players left that were somewhat of contributors was Paxson, and Armstrong whom both averaged around single points per game. People really don't remember that those first 3 Bulls teams were not stacked in any way. Even the latter 3 title teams while having bigger names, weren't exactly stacked with stars, as opposed to key role players that played their part well

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

LJ won a title with far less talent than any Bulls team of the 90s, including the Heat. You have to put him in the same discussion as MJ. It's BS if you don't.

You millennials need to brush up on your basketball knowledge

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I honestly thought Big Country was going to be legit back then...

Me too.

It was hard not to like the kid and he had a couple of good Seasons.

Sadly, the Buffett table was his undoing.

 

[gordontrue]

How about you stop being so sensitive Sally and see that I said "Cavs Fans and Lebroniacs" (which is plural) and never specifically mentioned you?

what if I like being sensitive Sally??

just kidding,

 

[tlance]

That's not true. Look at the first 3 titles....Jordan won with Pippen, whom was just starting to make all-star teams at the time. Horace Grant was a solid contributor, and the only players left that were somewhat of contributors was Paxson, and Armstrong whom both averaged around single points per game. People really don't remember that those first 3 Bulls teams were not stacked in any way. Even the latter 3 title teams while having bigger names, weren't exactly stacked with stars, as opposed to key role players that played their part well

I agree that those teams were not quite as talented, but MJ was younger and more explosive than he was in the late 90s. 91-93 was his absolute peak. Grant was an all star caliber player and a very good defender. While not as good defensively as Rodman, he contributed much more offensively and had a similar overall impact to the team, IMO.

Cartwright was well past his prime, but was a very serviceable big man who used to be an all star caliber player. Then the bench was loaded with high energy role players like Jud Buechler, Cliff Levingston, And Stacy King.

I am not going to say that the 2016 Cavs were less talented than this group, but it is clearly debatable. Personally, I am taking Pippen + Grant over Kyrie and Love any day. Both teams had quality role players that fit their needs well.

 

[tlance]

That's not true. Look at the first 3 titles....Jordan won with Pippen, whom was just starting to make all-star teams at the time. Horace Grant was a solid contributor, and the only players left that were somewhat of contributors was Paxson, and Armstrong whom both averaged around single points per game. People really don't remember that those first 3 Bulls teams were not stacked in any way. Even the latter 3 title teams while having bigger names, weren't exactly stacked with stars, as opposed to key role players that played their part well

Also, one more point:

No teams in that era were stacked with stars like the superteams today. It is why I find it funny when people dismiss the notion that current teams are as good or better than top teams from the 90s

 

[BallsOfFurry]

Also, one more point:

No teams in that era were stacked with stars like the superteams today. It is why I find it funny when people dismiss the notion that current teams are as good or better than top teams from the 90s

There were teams very stacked in the 80s and 90s. Boston, L.A. and Chicago were as loaded as any teams in history. Utah, Philly and Detroit were also loaded with stars.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

There were teams very stacked in the 80s and 90s. Boston, L.A. and Chicago were as loaded as any teams in history. Utah, Philly and Detroit were also loaded with stars.

Add Atlanta, Seattle and Houston to that list too.