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This is for @desert rat I basically cut and pasted it from another site, but its all you really need to know about Brian Kelly and his "stellar" record at ND:

-- In Kelly's 7 seasons, ND has finished ranked in the Top 10 only once and gone 0-2 (both by 2+ TDs) in major bowl games. They have had 4 seasons (2010, 2011, 2014, 2016) with 5+ losses and another season with 4 losses (2013). There are at least 20-25 Power 5 conference programs where such a 7-year record would be justifiably judged to be unacceptable. Why should it be acceptable at ND?

-- With a loss Saturday at USC, Brian Kelly will have lost the most games of any Irish coach in history (31). The next highest number of losses for an ND coach is Lou Holtz, who lost the last game of his 11-year tenure to USC for his 30th loss; by his 30th loss, he had won 100 games, while Kelly has won 59.

-- In ND's 2016 season, the Irish failed to win back-to-back games in a full season for the first time since 1960. (Joe Kuharich's 2nd year as ND coach)

-- On October 27, 2012, Notre Dame beat #8 Oklahoma in Norman 30-13. The Irish under Kelly have gone 0W-9L vs. teams ranked in the Top 12 since then, a span of over 4 years.


"But Kelly took ND to the national championship game in 2012...":

...where they were blown off the field 42-14 by Alabama. Yes, 'Bama was a better team, but not "Game over in the first quarter" better. In 40 years of watching ND football, I have never seen a Notre Dame team more unprepared for a big game. Perhaps if Kelly hadn't spent so much of the previous 5 weeks trying to secure an NFL job (which caused no small amount of distress to his assistants) and instead spent it preparing his team, ND would have had a much more respectable showing. Instead, they were embarrassed to such an extent that the mention of "Notre Dame" and "playoffs/national championship" still elicits giggles from college football fans.


"ND's coming off a great season."

They went 10W-3L, losing to the 3 Top 10 teams they played; their best win was over #18 Navy; they had to come from behind in the final minutes to beat (sub-.500) Virginia and Temple, and had to hold on for dear life vs. (also sub-.500) Boston College. They were blown out of their second major bowl under Kelly, the Fiesta, by Ohio State 44-28.


"Notre Dame can't win because of their academic restrictions":

During Kelly's tenure (2010-2016), Stanford - who has higher academic entrance requirements than ND and nowhere near the football tradition or national following - has gone 74W-18L to Kelly's 59W-30L (soon to be 59W-31L) at ND, finished in the Top 10 four times (to ND's one) and won 3 major bowls (2 Rose, 1 Orange) to ND's zero. Stanford as also beaten ND 5 out of 7 times in Kelly's tenure.


"Yeah, but Kelly's got a winning record against USC..."

ND has gone 4W-2L under Kelly; however, 2 of those wins came against USC's backup QB (2010 and 2012) and the other 2 came against an interim coach (Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkesian were fired in-season during the 2013 and 2015 seasons, respectively). The two times were USC was not forced to start their backup QB nor playing under an interim coach, USC won handily: 31-17 at ND in 2011, and 49-14 in 2014. USC has their starting QB healthy and a fully employed coach this week, so look for a USC blowout of ND.


"OK, but he's done a great job compared to the guys who preceded him...."

Since when are Bob Davie, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis the benchmark by which to judge a Notre Dame football coach's success or failure? But since it's been brought up, here is ND's record vs. Top 25 and Top 10 opponents going back to Ara Parseghian:

(assuming a) USC (currently #12) beats ND this coming weekend (the Trojans are 17-point favorites) and b) USC and Stanford end the 2016 season ranked):

vs. Top 20/25 (rank on gameday)
1. Devine: 17-10 .630
2. Holtz: 33-20-2 .618
3. Parseghian: 14-11-3 .554
4. Willingham: 7-8 .467
5. Kelly: 11-14 .440
6. Faust: 8-14 .364
7. Davie: 6-15 .286
8. Weis: 4-12 .250

vs. Top 20/25 (rank on end of season poll)
1. Holtz: 28-23-2 .547
2. Devine: 13-11 .542
3. Parseghian: 10-13-3 .442
4. Willingham: 8-9 .471
5. Kelly: 8-18 .308
6. Davie: 5-14 .263
7. Faust: 4-17 .190
8. Weis: 1-12 .077

(leaving out the possibility that USC will finish the season in the Top 10):

vs. Top 10 (rank on gameday)
1. Devine: 10-7 .588
2. Holtz: 21-15-1 .581
3. Parseghian: 10-9-3 .523
4. Faust: 4-6 .400
5. Willingham: 3-5 .375
6. Kelly: 2-5 .286
7. Davie: 1-7 .125
8. Weis: 1-8 .111

vs. Top 10 (rank at end of season poll)
1. Holtz: 15-17-1 .470
2. Parseghian: 7-9-3 .447
3. Devine: 5-7 .417
4. Willingham: 2-4 .333
5. Faust: 2-9 .182
5. Kelly: 2-9 .182
7. Davie: 0-8 .000
7. Weis: 0-8 .000

Yes, that's right, Kelly has a worse record against ranked teams than Ty Willingham.

:10: Lets print this and send it to Swarbrick!
 

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I don't like Brian Kelly. I don't think anyone actually "likes" him. But I don't want to fire him until we know who is going to take his place. We went through that when we thought we were first in line for Urban Meyer. Hell, Peterson, Fleck, whoever, they might all be great, but until we know we have them, let's not make the same mistake again. I still wonder what would have happened had we kept O'Leary.

Is anyone talking about Tom Clements? I wanted him when we took Weis.
 

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I don't like Brian Kelly. I don't think anyone actually "likes" him. But I don't want to fire him until we know who is going to take his place. We went through that when we thought we were first in line for Urban Meyer. Hell, Peterson, Fleck, whoever, they might all be great, but until we know we have them, let's not make the same mistake again. I still wonder what would have happened had we kept O'Leary.

Is anyone talking about Tom Clements? I wanted him when we took Weis.

I've heard him mentioned a couple of times as a top candidate if Kelly were to leave.
 

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Ultra Bump,

I am so embarrassed at this team, the 4-8 team would have played better it seems.
 

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The O-Line couldn't do anything with Michigan's defense and the lack of talent at RB really showed. Not to mention the defense played like garbage too and the offense didn't help them.out at all.
 

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The O-Line couldn't do anything with Michigan's defense and the lack of talent at RB really showed. Not to mention the defense played like garbage too and the offense didn't help them.out at all.

And we had 2 fucking weeks to God damn prepare and we pulled out this shit.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
 

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i've caught so much heat for saying 'fire this incompetent coach' that i hesitate chiming in here. but the fact is, STILL ... he does not learn from his mistakes and never will! so many of you keep saying he's better than earlier (and admittedly bad) coaches, but so what? all that says to me is you're content with pretty good with zero chance of competing with the elites. yes, he's a good recruiter but so what? he tends to ruin the guys he does recruit!
imo i'd rather go thru 5 coaches in hopes of landing a really good one than be satisfied with one who has a collective good record but cannot for the life of him coach a good game against a good opponent.
how long must we put up with mediocrity?
 

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wow.. bold! last post was over a year ago and you just had to bring this back so you could laugh? sad.
this one was a beaut.....

you still don't get it. i DON'T CARE what his history is. casey stengle was a great baseball coach ... for a long time ... and then he wasn't! call it age, lack of motivation, whatever you want, kelly is NOT a good coach. not for a team like notre dame. he gets good recruits! among the best! he's a good recruiter! his problem is he doesn't know how to USE them! he has ALWAYS under performed with those same recruits.
he's long past due to GO! you can worship his past all day long .... but it doesn't matter. he cannot COACH!
:dhd:
 
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this one was a beaut.....


:dhd:
and everything there i stated is true. you look pretty stupid laughing with your little doggie smilie. but i also notice you have nothing of intelligence to say. you believe you're entitled because they're undefeated? how dense are you anyway?
 

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and everything there i stated is true. you look pretty stupid laughing with your little doggie smilie. but i also notice you have nothing of intelligence to say. you believe you're entitled because they're undefeated? how dense are you anyway?
that's ironic from reading your posts in that thread. so what, they have about a 41-6 record, 3 bowl appearances, 2 wins, a win over #1 clemson, and currently ranked #2, since you first posted your nonsense in that thread. lol
 

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that's ironic from reading your posts in that thread. so what, they have about a 41-6 record, 3 bowl appearances, 2 wins, a win over #1 clemson, and currently ranked #2, since you first posted your nonsense in that thread. lol
what's ironic is that you don't know a good coach from a poor one. all you can do is go by win/loss records. that's all you've got. i don't judge a coach by w/l and anyone who does just isn't very bright. LOL.
 
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