Every position on the defense has improved

[deanpet21]

So when exactly did Cousins state the he thinks that he deserves to be the highest paid QB in the NFL? I must have missed that. Can you show us a link with a direct quote from Cousins stating that?

Don't reference reports from the media that have been wrong over & over & over again. The same media that said that a trade with the 49ers was inevitable, that Romo was going to be traded to the Redskins, that Cousins refused to talk to Allen, that the Browns were working a draft day trade for Cousins, blah, blah, blah....

So please show me that direct quote from Cousins on this subject & I will be 100% in agreement with your statement. Otherwise - you are full of crap.

Im not in the negotiation room so there is no way I could answer your question. Gruden said in a radio interview that the ball was in KC's court so an offer had to been made to KC. What that offer is I don't know. Even at 20M per season is still an long term offer from the team. Yes he can get more if he plays this year out on the tag but there is always a risk in doing that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Im not in the negotiation room so there is no way I could answer your question. Gruden said in a radio interview that the ball was in KC's court so an offer had to been made to KC. What that offer is I don't know. Even at 20M per season is still an long term offer from the team. Yes he can get more if he plays this year out on the tag but there is always a risk in doing that.

Good - then stop saying or implying that Cousins is trying to take the Redskins for every cent that they have or that he is trying to become the highest paid QB in the NFL. So what if an offer has been made to Cousins. If the guaranteed money is relatively small (as most assume to be the case) then he should not accept it - period!

Again - we are taking about someone's living here & this is not just a game like it is for the fans. I don't begrudge anyone for seeking to make the maximum as long as they do it in a professional manner, and Cousins has handled this professionally the entire time. Not sure why you constantly have to badmouth the guy (completely based on rumors & speculation) & then have to always follow it up with the fact that you don't hate the guy.

Just let it play out already & stop constantly bringing up this baseless pt.

 

[deanpet21]

Good - then stop saying or implying that Cousins is trying to take the Redskins for every cent that they have or that he is trying to become the highest paid QB in the NFL. So what if an offer has been made to Cousins. If the guaranteed money is relatively small (as most assume to be the case) then he should not accept it - period!

Again - we are taking about someone's living here & this is not just a game like it is for the fans. I don't begrudge anyone for seeking to make the maximum as long as they do it in a professional manner, and Cousins has handled this professionally the entire time. Not sure why you constantly have to badmouth the guy (completely based on rumors & speculation) & then have to always follow it up with the fact that you don't hate the guy.

Just let it play out already & stop constantly bringing up this baseless pt.

You don't find it odd that a LTD hasn't been done yet? Are you blaming the team or KC?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You don't find it odd that a LTD hasn't been done yet? Are you blaming the team or KC?

It is a combination of both, but I put much more of the blame on the organization. I think that Snyder is an egomaniac & doesn't like anyone else to dictate terms to him. I think that they have a hard time accepting the fact that decent NFL QBs get paid a lot (including guaranteed money) - period! They appear to try to be playing poker and waiting for Cousins to buckle, but he is not & objectively speaking should not.

I am not sure why you think that it is so wrong for a QB (or any athlete) to try to get the best deal possible & not just settle for some amt (no matter how high anyone believes that it is) & leave a ton of money on the table. You appear to again be viewing this as a fan & not in the eyes of the person doing what they can to make the best of the situation.

BTW - it only got to this pt because the Redskins screwed this up big time up until this pt. They are spending all of this money on tags when they simply could have used this as guaranteed money & locked this guy up a long time ago. They need to minimize their losses and not waste another $30M+ on yet another stupid tag.

 

[deanpet21]

It is a combination of both, but I put much more of the blame on the organization. I think that Snyder is an egomaniac & doesn't like anyone else to dictate terms to him. I think that they have a hard time accepting the fact that decent NFL QBs get paid a lot (including guaranteed money) - period! They appear to try to be playing poker and waiting for Cousins to buckle, but he is not & objectively speaking should not.

I am not sure why you think that it is so wrong for a QB (or any athlete) to try to get the best deal possible & not just settle for some amt (no matter how high anyone believes that it is) & leave a ton of money on the table. You appear to again be viewing this as a fan & not in the eyes of the person doing what they can to make the best of the situation.

BTW - it only got to this pt because the Redskins screwed this up big time up until this pt. They are spending all of this money on tags when they simply could have used this as guaranteed money & locked this guy up a long time ago. They need to minimize their losses and not waste another $30M+ on yet another stupid tag.

Synder is know to overpay for players so I don't understand your point there. I said this before every current and former GM praised us for giving KC the tag last year to prove himself. The end of the season ended very badly and put a sour taste in the organization mouth. They did offer 20M. If Kc wants 25M then I believe that is top dollar for a QB that hasn't prove anything.

I think the organization is looking at it like if KC has a great season we give him his LTD deal. If he flops then they can cut ties and move on if he insists on being paid like a top QB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Synder is know to overpay for players so I don't understand your point there. I said this before every current and former GM praised us for giving KC the tag last year to prove himself. The end of the season ended very badly and put a sour taste in the organization mouth. They did offer 20M. If Kc wants 25M then I believe that is top dollar for a QB that hasn't prove anything.

I think the organization is looking at it like if KC has a great season we give him his LTD deal. If he flops then they can cut ties and move on if he insists on being paid like a top QB.

You mean that Snyder is known to overpay to acquire players from other teams - not necessarily for doing this to retain his own players. Also - you keep referring to the yearly amt - that is not the problem. The problem is the guaranteed money & I believe that it is widely accepted that the Redskins are trying to lowball Cousins in that area.

I think that you just don't understand the current situation in terms of paying NFL QBs in this era. You seem to think that you have to have a SB season or a season for the ages to justify a huge contract. That is just not correct in this era. Decent QBs are very hard to come by at this time & the failure rate for QBs is much, much higher than the success rate. I would have thought that you would realize this as a Redskins fan. You appear to think that this is a plug n play position & is easily solved by drafting the next big thing at QB - recent history tells us otherwise.

To let this go on for 3 straight seasons is ridiculous & I think that you are being naïve if you believe that it will be straight forward to just extend Cousins next offseason or that it won't cost way, way more than his current asking price. For starters they could have saved a lot of money by just applying all of this tag money to his long term guarantee (& get an actual guarantee beyond a year or so).

Oh well - I get it - you really don't like Cousins (deny all that you like) & are one of these old fashioned guys who think that players are very greedy yet you are too blind to see these same traits in owners like Snyder (who you apparently worship).

 

[deanpet21]

You mean that Snyder is known to overpay to acquire players from other teams - not necessarily for doing this to retain his own players. Also - you keep referring to the yearly amt - that is not the problem. The problem is the guaranteed money & I believe that it is widely accepted that the Redskins are trying to lowball Cousins in that area.

I think that you just don't understand the current situation in terms of paying NFL QBs in this era. You seem to think that you have to have a SB season or a season for the ages to justify a huge contract. That is just not correct in this era. Decent QBs are very hard to come by at this time & the failure rate for QBs is much, much higher than the success rate. I would have thought that you would realize this as a Redskins fan. You appear to think that this is a plug n play position & is easily solved by drafting the next big thing at QB - recent history tells us otherwise.

To let this go on for 3 straight seasons is ridiculous & I think that you are being naïve if you believe that it will be straight forward to just extend Cousins next offseason or that it won't cost way, way more than his current asking price. For starters they could have saved a lot of money by just applying all of this tag money to his long term guarantee (& get an actual guarantee beyond a year or so).

Oh well - I get it - you really don't like Cousins (deny all that you like) & are one of these old fashioned guys who think that players are very greedy yet you are too blind to see these same traits in owners like Snyder (who you apparently worship).

not a KC hater. I don't feel he should be getting what he wants in a LTD right now. Do you really think Synder is going to let him go if he leads us to the playoffs this year? he will be signed at all costs. Plus the Stafford and Carr deals have a lot to do with this.

 

[deanpet21]

You mean that Snyder is known to overpay to acquire players from other teams - not necessarily for doing this to retain his own players. Also - you keep referring to the yearly amt - that is not the problem. The problem is the guaranteed money & I believe that it is widely accepted that the Redskins are trying to lowball Cousins in that area.

I think that you just don't understand the current situation in terms of paying NFL QBs in this era. You seem to think that you have to have a SB season or a season for the ages to justify a huge contract. That is just not correct in this era. Decent QBs are very hard to come by at this time & the failure rate for QBs is much, much higher than the success rate. I would have thought that you would realize this as a Redskins fan. You appear to think that this is a plug n play position & is easily solved by drafting the next big thing at QB - recent history tells us otherwise.

To let this go on for 3 straight seasons is ridiculous & I think that you are being naïve if you believe that it will be straight forward to just extend Cousins next offseason or that it won't cost way, way more than his current asking price. For starters they could have saved a lot of money by just applying all of this tag money to his long term guarantee (& get an actual guarantee beyond a year or so).

Oh well - I get it - you really don't like Cousins (deny all that you like) & are one of these old fashioned guys who think that players are very greedy yet you are too blind to see these same traits in owners like Snyder (who you apparently worship).

why are people a KC hater if we don't want to give him a blank check right now? He is play for us this season. lol

Plus why wasn't the offer of 20M per season will low g money counter offered? Gruden said the ball was in KC's court. So who do you blame now?

 

[j_y19]

not a KC hater. I don't feel he should be getting what he wants in a LTD right now. Do you really think Synder is going to let him go if he leads us to the playoffs this year? he will be signed at all costs. Plus the Stafford and Carr deals have a lot to do with this.

Dean, What is it that KC wants? You stated in an earlier thread that you were not in the negotiation room, but you seem to know exactly what KC wants.....so what is it?

 

[deanpet21]

Dean, What is it that KC wants? You stated in an earlier thread that you were not in the negotiation room, but you seem to know exactly what KC wants.....so what is it?

I want to know why the latest Redskins offer wasn't counter offered. If he was serious about wanting a LTD and wanted to stay here, why not counter offer?

 

[j_y19]

I want to know why the latest Redskins offer wasn't counter offered. If he was serious about wanting a LTD and wanted to stay here, why not counter offer?

How do you know it wasn't?

 

[deanpet21]

How do you know it wasn't?

b/c Gruden said in his last radio interview that the ball was in KC's court.

 

[j_y19]

b/c Gruden said in his last radio interview that the ball was in KC's court.

That was a month ago. But it may still be true. Let me ask you this. Lets say you have a house to sell. Its worth $100K. Some guy offers you $50K. Do you counter? I wouldn't because I know that guy isn't serious.

So lets turn the tables. If the FO is serious about keeping KC, why do they continue to low ball him with offers?

 

[gkekoa]

I want to know why the latest Redskins offer wasn't counter offered. If he was serious about wanting a LTD and wanted to stay here, why not counter offer?

Honestly, because that offer is insulting. For KC to counter he would need go say 35 million per season. That is how absurd 20 mil was.

 

[deanpet21]

That was a month ago. But it may still be true. Let me ask you this. Lets say you have a house to sell. Its worth $100K. Some guy offers you $50K. Do you counter? I wouldn't because I know that guy isn't serious.

So lets turn the tables. If the FO is serious about keeping KC, why do they continue to low ball him with offers?

Wrong. The radio interview was right after the draft. Someone posted it on here. They were talking about the picks and then the KC question was asked.

 

[deanpet21]

Honestly, because that offer is insulting. For KC to counter he would need go say 35 million per season. That is how absurd 20 mil was.

oh cmon. Why didn't KC give his deal right then and there? IF the Redskins refused it then he plays on the tag. Plain and simple.

 

[j_y19]

Wrong. The radio interview was right after the draft. Someone posted it on here. They were talking about the picks and then the KC question was asked.

What ever. The time is irrelevant. Answer the questions.

 

[gkekoa]

oh cmon. Why didn't KC give his deal right then and there? IF the Redskins refused it then he plays on the tag. Plain and simple.

You don't make very much money do you? That isn't how negotiations go.

 

[Sharkinva]

oh cmon. Why didn't KC give his deal right then and there? IF the Redskins refused it then he plays on the tag. Plain and simple.

Dean... if you are not a politician... you really missed your calling dude.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

not a KC hater. I don't feel he should be getting what he wants in a LTD right now. Do you really think Synder is going to let him go if he leads us to the playoffs this year? he will be signed at all costs. Plus the Stafford and Carr deals have a lot to do with this.

So - if Cousins does lead them to the playoffs & Snyder signs him "at all costs" - well - doesn't sound very smart to me. The insane contract will be significantly higher than the one that they can negotiate now. Sounds like poor business to me.

Let's say the results are slightly less. Are you basically advocating getting rid of Cousins unless he takes them to the playoffs (understanding that it involves more than just him)? Honestly - assuming health - I believe that Cousins really just needs to come through more in clutch games to get to the next level, and I truly believe that he is capable of doing this.

BTW - if you are truly a Cousins backer then why were you so eager to get rid of him over the last several months? You started non-stop threads on this subject the moment even the slightest rumor about a Cousins trade hit the web. Doesn't sound like someone who was a fan of Cousins.