Eagles/Broncos SB

[futballiscool]

Should be a good game

 

[cincygrad]

Chip Kelly is serving notice..... I would expect Brian Kelly to try to cash in next season.

 

[futballiscool]

If not for that early, very borderline Vick fumble it could be 29 or 33 to 0 right now.

that's after a weekend of one score games.

 

[cincygrad]

It's been neat to watch. Unfortunately I think 'fake injuries' are going to come to the NFL like flopping in the NBA.

 

[futballiscool]

Vick's hitting guys wide open 20 yds downfield. McCoy just ran through the cleanest lane I've ever seen a RB have to the endzone..

this is insane

 

[cincygrad]

Starting to remind me of the 99 Rams.

 

[cincygrad]

I think Marvin might have shown up for the second half.

 

[futballiscool]

They definatley took their foot off the gas. I'll change my NFC SB pick to the Niners (subject to change)

 

[bengaldoug]

I can't believe I couldn't see this coming, what with Griffin not having any preseason. He figured to be rusty, and the iggles were a more than a field goal dog.

 

[jwil007]

Kelly's gimmick offense will be figured out...Their defense cant stop good teams on offense...Defenses will also try to push players out of bounds stop the clock and make substitutions....plan for fake injuries and Vick mistakes to keep teams in games...Vick also breaks down once the pas rush comes...He showed this time and time again when the blitz came...Theyre beatable...all day even with this Madden offense he runs...

 

[Tubbs1518]

That isn't a gimmicky offense. Read up on it, do some research. Nothing gimmicky about it. Will it get slowed by certain teams? Sure, all offenses do. But it isn't gimmicky.

 

[jwil007]

That isn't a gimmicky offense. Read up on it, do some research. Nothing gimmicky about it. Will it get slowed by certain teams? Sure, all offenses do. But it isn't gimmicky.

Ok fair enough Mike Mayock...Will it last in the NFL????/ I think not and its too early to tell now so lets sit back and find out...We can agree to disagree all day...Its fun to watch but still think its temporary....Kelly has to show the league he can do this 16 games get to the playoffs and win a SB then you doin the damn thing

 

[Tubbs1518]

Ok fair enough Mike Mayock...Will it last in the NFL????/ I think not and its too early to tell now so lets sit back and find out...We can agree to disagree all day...Its fun to watch but still think its temporary....Kelly has to show the league he can do this 16 games get to the playoffs and win a SB then you doin the damn thing

You don't have to win a SB for an offense to last. And Mike Mayock again, has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. Your comparisons are completely wrong every time. This is a great write up about it.


Jon Gruden did one of the best things he has ever done for the viewers last night. Instead of telling everyone everything he loves, he took a minute or two to show the world exactly what makes the Chip Kelly offense so tough to defend. I wish he had talked about it for the rest of the broadcast. As a viewer, you might have missed it in between all the discussion about how rusty Robert Griffin III looked (yes, yes, he was, and he wasn't stepping into throws) and how many plays the Eagles ran during the first half (53). The image above shows the real key to the Eagles offense. It's one formation. One play.

Well, to be fair, the genius of the offense happens 0-2 seconds from when the ball is snapped. While plenty of the discussion about the Eagles has been about whether or not the "blur" offense can work (it can, and I'll show why) and whether or not a big, bad group of NFL players can condition themselves for it (they can), the true meaning of what Chip Kelly brings to the NFL is that it shows the world a concept that is somewhat new to the NFL, but normal for the modern world of college football. Chip Kelly is not in the NFL because he brings this huge, new concept that will spin the heads of defensive coordinators. He is in the league because he is a smart, affable, meticulous dork. Most coaches are. Marc Trestman teaches his teams how to stand correctly for the National Anthem. The play above is a well thought-out machine that creates so many advantages for the offense that the Mel Blount rule might have to be abolished.

What you see above is really 4-5 plays in one. It is a combination play that involves just a little bit of learning what to look for in a defenses. Peyton Manning used to, and still does, get to pick between two passes and one run play. He selects the best play based on the how the defense looks. This is the model for what the modern read option has become. Instead of relying on just how the defense is "set up," the decision on this play is based on how the defense reacts as well as the pre-snap look. It's also safe for the quarterback.


Mike Vick can do the following:

1. Hand the ball off to Lesean McCoy if any defensive player crashes down early or pauses, or if any linebacker makes an incorrect read. A linebacker can be wrong on this play if he hits the hole for the running back or if he flows too far with the play.

2. Look for Brent Celek on the seam route if the linebacker is undisciplined or if the safety over top is too aggressive against the run. Celek had just two catches, but one was early in the game, solidifying the play concepts. Of course, those two catches were for 57 yards and a touchdown.

3. Run the wide receiver screen to Desean Jackson, an undersized and ridiculously quick pass catcher who is perfect for plays in space. The screen can be run if there is any chance that the offense has numbers on the outside. Confusion by the defense can lead to a missing corner or one less safety available to help against the run.

4. Keep the ball and run outside for as many yards as possible. Sometimes, this play is run with an unbalanced line, creating mis-matches against defensive players even when they have stayed disciplined.

5. Throw to whatever route is run by the lead blocker for the receiver screen or throw a simple slant to the single receiver on the short side of the play (The 3WR version). The throw to the blocker is rarer, but possible, and depending on the release that the blocker gets off the defender, he can run things like a drag or a streak.

The final great concept within in the play itself is that has dynamic pass play options while using run blocking. And, contrary to popular belief, Kelly loved the power run at Oregon. Last night showed that he still loves it. This blocking also protects Vick because he is only vulnerable while the ball is being "shown" to McCoy, per league mandates. Often, the Eagles quarterbacks have a good 4-5 yards of room to make their decision since the blocking scheme forces the play downhill.

Can it be stopped? Sure. Anything can be, but it requires disciplined play by a defense that can win one-on-one match-ups consistently. How you ever wondered what the point of running 53 plays in one half is? With this offense, it is a design to make defenders tired, mentally and physically.

Chip Kelly's offense isn't smart because it is something no one has ever seen before. It's great because hundreds of hours of meticulous thought went into a product that is a simple play with simple reads for a quarterback. As a group, we tend to think that the best players make the tough things look easy. I think it is fair to say that the best coaches do, too.

 

[jwil007]

You don't have to win a SB for an offense to last. And Mike Mayock again, has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. Your comparisons are completely wrong every time. This is a great write up about it.


Jon Gruden did one of the best things he has ever done for the viewers last night. Instead of telling everyone everything he loves, he took a minute or two to show the world exactly what makes the Chip Kelly offense so tough to defend. I wish he had talked about it for the rest of the broadcast. As a viewer, you might have missed it in between all the discussion about how rusty Robert Griffin III looked (yes, yes, he was, and he wasn't stepping into throws) and how many plays the Eagles ran during the first half (53). The image above shows the real key to the Eagles offense. It's one formation. One play.

Well, to be fair, the genius of the offense happens 0-2 seconds from when the ball is snapped. While plenty of the discussion about the Eagles has been about whether or not the "blur" offense can work (it can, and I'll show why) and whether or not a big, bad group of NFL players can condition themselves for it (they can), the true meaning of what Chip Kelly brings to the NFL is that it shows the world a concept that is somewhat new to the NFL, but normal for the modern world of college football. Chip Kelly is not in the NFL because he brings this huge, new concept that will spin the heads of defensive coordinators. He is in the league because he is a smart, affable, meticulous dork. Most coaches are. Marc Trestman teaches his teams how to stand correctly for the National Anthem. The play above is a well thought-out machine that creates so many advantages for the offense that the Mel Blount rule might have to be abolished.

What you see above is really 4-5 plays in one. It is a combination play that involves just a little bit of learning what to look for in a defenses. Peyton Manning used to, and still does, get to pick between two passes and one run play. He selects the best play based on the how the defense looks. This is the model for what the modern read option has become. Instead of relying on just how the defense is "set up," the decision on this play is based on how the defense reacts as well as the pre-snap look. It's also safe for the quarterback.


Mike Vick can do the following:

1. Hand the ball off to Lesean McCoy if any defensive player crashes down early or pauses, or if any linebacker makes an incorrect read. A linebacker can be wrong on this play if he hits the hole for the running back or if he flows too far with the play.

2. Look for Brent Celek on the seam route if the linebacker is undisciplined or if the safety over top is too aggressive against the run. Celek had just two catches, but one was early in the game, solidifying the play concepts. Of course, those two catches were for 57 yards and a touchdown.

3. Run the wide receiver screen to Desean Jackson, an undersized and ridiculously quick pass catcher who is perfect for plays in space. The screen can be run if there is any chance that the offense has numbers on the outside. Confusion by the defense can lead to a missing corner or one less safety available to help against the run.

4. Keep the ball and run outside for as many yards as possible. Sometimes, this play is run with an unbalanced line, creating mis-matches against defensive players even when they have stayed disciplined.

5. Throw to whatever route is run by the lead blocker for the receiver screen or throw a simple slant to the single receiver on the short side of the play (The 3WR version). The throw to the blocker is rarer, but possible, and depending on the release that the blocker gets off the defender, he can run things like a drag or a streak.

The final great concept within in the play itself is that has dynamic pass play options while using run blocking. And, contrary to popular belief, Kelly loved the power run at Oregon. Last night showed that he still loves it. This blocking also protects Vick because he is only vulnerable while the ball is being "shown" to McCoy, per league mandates. Often, the Eagles quarterbacks have a good 4-5 yards of room to make their decision since the blocking scheme forces the play downhill.

Can it be stopped? Sure. Anything can be, but it requires disciplined play by a defense that can win one-on-one match-ups consistently. How you ever wondered what the point of running 53 plays in one half is? With this offense, it is a design to make defenders tired, mentally and physically.

Chip Kelly's offense isn't smart because it is something no one has ever seen before. It's great because hundreds of hours of meticulous thought went into a product that is a simple play with simple reads for a quarterback. As a group, we tend to think that the best players make the tough things look easy. I think it is fair to say that the best coaches do, too.

Sounds good and nice break down but he has to prove it to the league now...Stay tuned for that.

 

[cincygrad]

The offense itself is no different than what has been evolving in the NFL. The speed at which they play is somewhat new -- New England made a big jump in this area last year. Defenses will continue to adapt to zone-reads and other offensive innovations, but it will still always come down to individual match ups and which coaches are best at exploiting these match-ups. I think Chip Kelly will be good at it. If not, I'll be right here.... LOL!

As for the speed.... The only thing I can see hurting them is when they are having an off day and the offense is on and off the field too much. You don't want to wear down the D.

 

[Tubbs1518]

The offense itself is no different than what has been evolving in the NFL. The speed at which they play is somewhat new -- New England made a big jump in this area last year. Defenses will continue to adapt to zone-reads and other offensive innovations, but it will still always come down to individual match ups and which coaches are best at exploiting these match-ups. I think Chip Kelly will be good at it. If not, I'll be right here.... LOL!

As for the speed.... The only thing I can see hurting them is when they are having an off day and the offense is on and off the field too much. You don't want to wear down the D.

We are about to find out if you can condition a 300 pound man to run that fast that many times.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Vick is capable of streaks of good performance, and then he gets hit in the ribs, and then it all goes downhill, we've seen this before.

however, at the moment he makes a very good ffl option

 

[Morpheus]

Up-tempo offense is nothing new, Chip Kelly is just doing something that a lot of DC's are not used to.

The biggest advantage he has is the quickness of his QB, RB and WR that can make this offense effective against a defense that is not prepared for it or does not have the quick, disciplined and cerebral players to defend it.

An injury to Vick, McCoy or Jackson or any combo of them would be pretty tough on this scheme.

Factor in the Redskins terrible play on defense and the Redskins offense inability to sustain many drives in the first 2/3rds of the game and it starts looking liek a blow it.

Once Washington settled down and Grifin found some rythym, they almost tied it up. They were an onside kick recovery (that was very close) away from a chance ot win that game.

I would not call that a groundbreaking change in the NFL.

They let their foot off the gas pedal or the Redskins figured it out a bit. I need to see them sustain that for a full 16 game season before I crown Chip Kelly a genius.

 

[cincygrad]

Up-tempo offense is nothing new, Chip Kelly is just doing something that a lot of DC's are not used to.

The biggest advantage he has is the quickness of his QB, RB and WR that can make this offense effective against a defense that is not prepared for it or does not have the quick, disciplined and cerebral players to defend it.

An injury to Vick, McCoy or Jackson or any combo of them would be pretty tough on this scheme.

Factor in the Redskins terrible play on defense and the Redskins offense inability to sustain many drives in the first 2/3rds of the game and it starts looking liek a blow it.

Once Washington settled down and Grifin found some rythym, they almost tied it up. They were an onside kick recovery (that was very close) away from a chance ot win that game.

I would not call that a groundbreaking change in the NFL.

They let their foot off the gas pedal or the Redskins figured it out a bit. I need to see them sustain that for a full 16 game season before I crown Chip Kelly a genius.

Except when it is..... Not sure how many plays they ended up running in the first half, but at one point it was on pace for the most since a game played over a decade ago. It's only one game, so we don't have the sample size to call it anything..... But if Kelly is able to continue to push the envelope with number of plays per game, his approach should be considered unique.

 

[vancelot23]

The Eagles defense is a joke, so no, they will not be in the Super Bowl. Also, a nasty side effect of that offense. The Eagles own defense doesn't get time to rest. If you can run extended drives, then watch the Eagles offense only be on the field for a few minutes, the defense will be even more tired. Time of possession is much more important in the NFL than it is in college. Another problem with it was shown today. With just a few minutes left, the Eagles ran down the field, kicked a FG, but left nearly two minutes for Rivers. Terrible idea. They lost.