DeShaun Watson Stock To 1st Overall Selection

[j_y19]

If we have learned anything in the last 20 years, it is that drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot. No doubt Watson is a pure athlete and a great college football player. But as we have seen, that doesn't always transfer to the NFL. If fact, more times than not, it doesn't. For all of his skills, he is not ready for the NFL. He pulls the ball down and runs way too quickly. That works in college. Not in the NFL for long. He also missed on some wide open throws and forced other throws into coverage while other receivers were open. If he goes to the Browns, I predict he becomes a bust, at least while there. Now if he can go to a team where he can learn the NFL game in a controlled environment (like on the bench for a couple of years), he has the tools and the football IQ to learn.

IF I were cleveland and another team approached me about the pick because they fell in love with Watson based on last night, I would trade it in a heartbeat and move back. Of course NFL GMs dont fall in love with a player based on one game, unlike NFL fans.......

 

[RobBase]

Bears at 3 maybe.

 

[deanpet21]

If we have learned anything in the last 20 years, it is that drafting a QB in the first round is a crap shoot. No doubt Watson is a pure athlete and a great college football player. But as we have seen, that doesn't always transfer to the NFL. If fact, more times than not, it doesn't. For all of his skills, he is not ready for the NFL. He pulls the ball down and runs way too quickly. That works in college. Not in the NFL for long. He also missed on some wide open throws and forced other throws into coverage while other receivers were open. If he goes to the Browns, I predict he becomes a bust, at least while there. Now if he can go to a team where he can learn the NFL game in a controlled environment (like on the bench for a couple of years), he has the tools and the football IQ to learn.

IF I were cleveland and another team approached me about the pick because they fell in love with Watson based on last night, I would trade it in a heartbeat and move back. Of course NFL GMs dont fall in love with a player based on one game, unlike NFL fans.......

No QB would succeed in Cle b/c their offense is a mess. With the right o coordinator Watson will succeed in the NFL. The guy can throw. With the success of Dak which is basically the same player he will be a top 3 pick. If Mcdaniles or Shanny go to the 49ers he will be the pick.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

So he goes to in some eyes a 3rd or even 4th round pick to the 1:1? The reports on this guy are bipolar as it gets.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No QB would succeed in Cle b/c their offense is a mess. With the right o coordinator Watson will succeed in the NFL. The guy can throw. With the success of Dak which is basically the same player he will be a top 3 pick. If Mcdaniles or Shanny go to the 49ers he will be the pick.

You must have a very short memory. RG3 was considered much more of a sure thing when he was coming out of college. Everyone had him as either the 1st or 2nd overall pick & this was in a draft that included Luck (who was considered much better than any QB in the current draft). There is absolutely no guarantee that Watson will succeed as a QB in the NFL - ditto for pretty much any QB in the draft. Why as a Redskins fan you don't understand this completely puzzles me.

 

[deanpet21]

You must have a very short memory. RG3 was considered much more of a sure thing when he was coming out of college. Everyone had him as either the 1st or 2nd overall pick & this was in a draft that included Luck (who was considered much better than any QB in the current draft). There is absolutely no guarantee that Watson will succeed as a QB in the NFL - ditto for pretty much any QB in the draft. Why as a Redskins fan you don't understand this completely puzzles me.

Of course there is no guarantee. We made the move for RG3 b/c we were desperate. We had an awful QB situation. To say this guy is not a top 5 pick is just crazy to me.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - how does the fact that a QB can throw the ball well automatically translate into long term success in the NFL? There is so much more to being an NFL QB. Can he use the pocket well? Does he feel pressure well? Can he see the entire field? Can he make split second decisions? Etc, etc, etc.

You can get away with quite a bit as a college QB because of your arm & legs. The same doesn't generally apply in the NFL where you are dealing with big, fast, smart guys across the fields & the demands are much harder. You mention Prescott but remember he also has the benefit of the best O line in the business as well as a pro bowl RB. That won't be the case for some of the teams that you reference.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Of course there is no guarantee. We made the move for RG3 b/c we were desperate. We had an awful QB situation. To say this guy is not a top 5 pick is just crazy to me.

You totally miss the pt. RG3 was a top 5 pick at the time. If the Redskins didn't pick him then most likely someone else would have traded up & taken him @ # 2. RG3 was not drafted at # 2 because the Redskins were desperate - he was taken because he was viewed as a top notch QB & the 2nd best player by many (even the 1st best by some). You obviously have learned nothing from this situation.

 

[deanpet21]

You totally miss the pt. RG3 was a top 5 pick at the time. If the Redskins didn't pick him then most likely someone else would have traded up & taken him @ # 2. RG3 was not drafted at # 2 because the Redskins were desperate - he was taken because he was viewed as a top notch QB & the 2nd best player by many (even the 1st best by some). You obviously have learned nothing from this situation.

You can not link Watson to RG3. that is totally unfair. Yes Cle would of traded to get him b/c everyone is desperate for QB's. Matter of fact Cle offered more than us to the Rams to get RG3 if you remember. A lot of factors go into a Qb for him to be successful.

How can you put a higher draft grade on Goff or Wentz than Watson? Watson should have the same draft grade or a little bit higher or lower if you ask me. I guess you are one of the people who think he is not a first round pick.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You can not link Watson to RG3. that is totally unfair. Yes Cle would of traded to get him b/c everyone is desperate for QB's. Matter of fact Cle offered more than us to the Rams to get RG3 if you remember. A lot of factors go into a Qb for him to be successful.

How can you put a higher draft grade on Goff or Wentz than Watson? Watson should have the same draft grade or a little bit higher or lower if you ask me. I guess you are one of the people who think he is not a first round pick.

No - I believe that he probably is a 1st rd pick. However - how can you basically guarantee that he will be a success? That is laughable. And again - you appear to have totally forgotten the perception of RG3 prior to the 2012 draft (and after the 2012 season). Don't think about how it looks now - remember how it appeared then. For all we know Watson could wind up being mediocre or worse - you just don't know. The fact that he was stellar in a college championship game doesn't mean that much. Vince Young was as good or better & appeared ready to take the NFL by storm. How did that work out?

I am only asking that you wait and see & not make all of these ridiculous guarantees. You did the same thing prior to the current Redskins season & that turned out poorly. Try to be a little more realistic and objective.

 

[Sharkinva]

Of course there is no guarantee. We made the move for RG3 b/c we were desperate. We had an awful QB situation. To say this guy is not a top 5 pick is just crazy to me.

Dean.. you have a really bad habit of over valuing guys based on the draft hype. The fact that Watson MIGHT be considered the best QB prospect in a generally accepted bad year for QBs does not make him a lock to succeed in the NFL. Odds are, if he does go in the top five, it will be a o a legitimately crappy team, or a semi crappy team that trades up to get him.

 

[deanpet21]

No - I believe that he probably is a 1st rd pick. However - how can you basically guarantee that he will be a success? That is laughable. And again - you appear to have totally forgotten the perception of RG3 prior to the 2012 draft (and after the 2012 season). Don't think about how it looks now - remember how it appeared then. For all we know Watson could wind up being mediocre or worse - you just don't know. The fact that he was stellar in a college championship game doesn't mean that much. Vince Young was as good or better & appeared ready to take the NFL by storm. How did that work out?

I am only asking that you wait and see & not make all of these ridiculous guarantees. You did the same thing prior to the current Redskins season & that turned out poorly. Try to be a little more realistic and objective.

I said his head coach or o coordinator matters to his success. That has to be in place first. People are just writing this guy off. This guy has loads of talent and just beat one of the best college defenses in college football history.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean.. you have a really bad habit of over valuing guys based on the draft hype. The fact that Watson MIGHT be considered the best QB prospect in a generally accepted bad year for QBs does not make him a lock to succeed in the NFL. Odds are, if he does go in the top five, it will be a o a legitimately crappy team, or a semi crappy team that trades up to get him.

I didn't guarantee anything right now. Where he goes will speak volumes.

 

[deanpet21]

No - I believe that he probably is a 1st rd pick. However - how can you basically guarantee that he will be a success? That is laughable. And again - you appear to have totally forgotten the perception of RG3 prior to the 2012 draft (and after the 2012 season). Don't think about how it looks now - remember how it appeared then. For all we know Watson could wind up being mediocre or worse - you just don't know. The fact that he was stellar in a college championship game doesn't mean that much. Vince Young was as good or better & appeared ready to take the NFL by storm. How did that work out?

I am only asking that you wait and see & not make all of these ridiculous guarantees. You did the same thing prior to the current Redskins season & that turned out poorly. Try to be a little more realistic and objective.

Do you believe he is a top 6 pick? I am realistic and objective. You are not reading my posts. If he ahs the right coaching it will help Watson out tremendously

 

[j_y19]

No QB would succeed in Cle b/c their offense is a mess. With the right o coordinator Watson will succeed in the NFL. The guy can throw. With the success of Dak which is basically the same player he will be a top 3 pick. If Mcdaniles or Shanny go to the 49ers he will be the pick.

First off, Watson is a better athlete than DAK, IMO. But lets not fool ourselves. Dak fell into an ideal situation for a rookie QB. A top OL, the league's best running game, and a pretty good receiving corps. Watson isn't going to find that in any team that drafts him high in Rd 1. You put Dak in CLE, things for him turn out way different. I dont care who his OC or HC is. If he is thrown to the wolves with only his college skills to survive, he doesn't.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Do you believe he is a top 6 pick? I am realistic and objective. You are not reading my posts. If he ahs the right coaching it will help Watson out tremendously

Depends on a lot more than that. Simply having the best coaching staff is no guarantee. He may make it or he may not. Anyone claiming otherwise is either uninformed or lying.

 

[deanpet21]

First off, Watson is a better athlete than DAK, IMO. But lets not fool ourselves. Dak fell into an ideal situation for a rookie QB. A top OL, the league's best running game, and a pretty good receiving corps. Watson isn't going to find that in any team that drafts him high in Rd 1. You put Dak in CLE, things for him turn out way different. I dont care who his OC or HC is. If he is thrown to the wolves with only his college skills to survive, he doesn't.

Right. I just said that.

 

[deanpet21]

Depends on a lot more than that. Simply having the best coaching staff is no guarantee. He may make it or he may not. Anyone claiming otherwise is either uninformed or lying.

You didn't answer my question. Plus how are Goff and Wentz just as good or better prospects than Watson?

 

[j_y19]

Right. I just said that.

So consequently, he should not be a top pick as he will most likely be a bust for the team that takes him and expects him to start right away. Which any team drafting him #1 overall is going to expect.

 

[deanpet21]

So consequently, he should not be a top pick as he will most likely be a bust for the team that takes him and expects him to start right away. Which any team drafting him #1 overall is going to expect.

you said coaches and coordinators don't matter. RGe succeeded in his rookie year b/c of that reason. We didn't have a top oline or top offensive weapons. It was coaching and scheme.